Hello, my friends, and welcome to our practice session. In our practice sessions, we invite our featured

guests to show off their negotiation and conflict resolution skills in a realistic scenario. In this

session, I want you to pay attention to what our guest does and not to what I do, because while

they are trying to show off their skills and teach you, I'm trying to frustrate their efforts in

different ways through things like aggression, annoyance, emotionality, or awkwardness.

And then after the practice session, we debrief and talk about what worked, what didn't work,

and what you can use in your next difficult conversation.

Hello, audience. Welcome to the sparring session.

Very excited to have you here. Again, we have Jamie Lieberman, lawyer, podcaster, extraordinaire on

the show. And in this situation, I am going to be, of course, the difficult person. And it's

going to be a copyright infringement case where I believe my client who created

an online course has been defrauded and infringed upon by Jamie's client and I have added

30 to 40 years to my age in this situation. And I am going to be awful.

It's going to be great.

Anything you want to add to that, Jamie?

You're too excited about this.

Oh, I'm excited.

This is great.

No, I think that looks good.

My poor client does not believe they've infringed, but we'll see what happens. Perfect. All right. And

scene. Jamie, it's Kwame. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. So just want to get down to this

really quickly. I don't think this should take much time. So my client, Catherine Kanapki, she created this

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