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Here's John Bachelor.

Sir, I welcome my colleague Cliff. Here's John Bachelor.

I welcome my colleague Cliff May, the founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of democracies, writing his column for the Washington Times about the foreign policy of the President of the United States

come January 2025.

Mr. Biden, Mr. Trump.

A very good evening to you, Cliff, we do not choose. We look at the first term for both candidates.

First time we've ever had two presidents with one term behind them, debating their lame duck term term what's in front of them. I want to

begin with Mr. Biden because Afghanistan often is cited to me when I talk overseas as

revelatory to our allies right away in July

in August of 2021.

Revelatory is not a committed word.

It's a careful fence sitting word.

What do you think they mean when they point to Afghanistan

these years later, Cliff? Well, what's the revelation?

And I'm a... I fear the revelation is that President Biden decided to capitulate to the Taliban,

didn't appear to understand that's what he was doing,

and did it in about the worst way possible.

As a result, American service men and women were killed.

As a result, our allies were left behind, billions of dollars worth of equipment.

The president didn't understand that Bagram Air Base could be an important asset for the US, not least because Afghanistan, among other things,

borders on the People's Republic of China.

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