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POTUS: THE WILSON VERSION. STEVEN HAYWARD. CIVITAS

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🗓️ 26 July 2025

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POTUS: THE WILSON VERSION. STEVEN HAYWARD. CIVITAS
1917 WILSO INAUGURATION

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This is CBS, I On the World. I'm John Batchel. Statesmanship. A word that I learned most recently

0:12.3

dates to the 1970s. So 50 years later, it's good to review that word, its meaning, especially

0:18.9

when it comes to the American presidency.

0:22.3

And where did it go?

0:24.1

It was just here 50 years ago.

0:30.7

I welcome Stephen F. Hayward, the Edward Gaylord distinguished visiting professor at Pepadine University School of Public Policy, writing of statesmanship and other terms, at Civitas Outlook,

0:36.6

part of the Civitas Institute at the University of

0:38.9

Texas. Professor, a very good evening to you. Statesmanship, 50 years ago. What was it? It sounds

0:44.3

flattering. Good evening to you. Well, good evening, John. It's really an old term that was used

0:49.2

really for centuries. And then it started going out of favor about 50 years ago for a bunch of, I think, bad reasons.

0:55.1

But essentially, we usually think of someone as a statesman who stands above the cut of ordinary

1:00.7

politicians, right?

1:01.7

So we think of Lincoln, George Washington, Churchill, Napoleon, perhaps, although he has a more

1:07.0

mixed reputation.

1:08.7

And it always meant someone of extraordinary insight and leadership capabilities.

1:14.0

And we quit using a term, both in academic political science and in history and in biography,

1:20.0

and even in journalism, for a whole bunch of bad reasons.

1:23.1

One is academic political scientists think it's unscientific.

1:27.1

They think if you can't measure something

1:28.5

quantitatively, it's not meaningful, which I think is dumb. Second, it's kind of inegalitarian. You know,

1:34.7

a statesman is somebody we think of as having special excellence as a human being, which I think is

1:39.7

also true. And that cuts against the grain of the radical egalitarianism that gnaws away of so many of our

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