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The Chuck ToddCast

Post Game with Jeh Johnson: Are too many people reading Top Secret docs?

The Chuck ToddCast

iHeartPodcasts

News, Government

4.02.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

How does a 21-year-old national guardsman, enlisted in 2019, gain access to our nation's top secrets? Former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson joins Chuck to break down whether the wake of the biggest intelligence leak in a decade will spur the U.S. to reconsider just how readily it provides top-secret clearances to officers and employees.

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0:00.0

Hello, there I'm Chuck Todd. I just stepped off the meet the press set where I interviewed

0:06.7

an all exclusive lineup of guests, Democratic Senator Tammy Baldwin and Wisconsin, Republican

0:10.7

Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana. And the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu,

0:14.5

needless to say, I wish I had more time with all of them. We had a lot to unpack into our

0:19.1

broadcasts Sunday. You have the deepening political tensions over guns. The NRA was having

0:23.4

its annual meeting and about for like the third time in the last five years, their annual

0:28.4

meeting happens in the aftermath of some mass shootings. You have the abortion issue with

0:32.5

the Republican Party is again, peers to be struggling to figure out what its position is as

0:38.4

the rest of the country doesn't like where how the status quo has been changed late Thursday

0:43.1

night, Florida coming around to Sanctus. Decided to sign a six week ban in Florida, creating

0:48.4

basically now the entire South. I think North Carolina is now has the most liberal abortion

0:56.2

rights laws of any state in the deep South these days. And among all this, we also touched

1:00.2

on the biggest intelligence leak in a decade, Department of Justice announced on a rest of

1:03.4

a 21 year old national guardsman named Jack Tashira, who shared military secrets with

1:07.8

the group of online friends. So this is where I want to bring in former Homeland Security

1:12.2

Secretary, Jay Johnson, who's also former council at the Pentagon. Jay, we were talking a

1:18.6

little bit of the leak on the show. I just I go back to I feel like every single intelligence

1:24.9

failure, if you want to call it that over the last 20 years can be summed up with the

1:29.6

phrase failure of imagination. And I feel like in this sense, the IT guys, they didn't think

1:36.1

about this and it's pretty clear to me they did. Chuck, I don't know if it was a failure of

1:42.6

imagination. I could readily imagine that a 21 year old IT guy could abuse the privilege

1:52.4

and take something at the TS level, a very sensitive document that he shouldn't take.

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