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Hi everybody,

everybody,

welcome the shift, a podcast about mobility.

I'm Pete Bigelow, your host and reporter at the Automotive News.

You know, one of the things I've been thinking about and writing about since the cruise crash and the company's subsequent suspension is exactly what it takes to make self-driving vehicles work in the real world.

They don't exist in a vacuum. They have effects on other road users and sometimes that's great.

Sometimes those are positive and sometimes they introduce new complications.

And thinking about that brought me back to something that David Lou, the CEO and founder of Plus, told me many months ago before this particular incident.

But it's stuck. And that's's that automation is not just about developing a technology and

deploying it, but it's about evolving a 120 year old transportation system and that does not occur overnight.

David is my guest on the podcast today.

We're gonna talk about that, what that evolution looks like,

how it shaped its implications for companies trying to go straight to full autonomy.

Plus is not one of those, the automated driving trucking company,

because of this point is on an evolutionary path with its technology.

It's focused on starting with a driver assist feature called Plus Drive and gradually growing toward full autonomy in the future.

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