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Choiceology with Katy Milkman

Playing the Long Game: The Power of Self-Control

Choiceology with Katy Milkman

Charles Schwab

Behavioral Economics, Society & Culture, Social Sciences, Decision Making, Charles Schwab, Business, Science, Investing, Dan Heath, Katy Milkman

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

When your emotions flare or temptation calls, what does it take to hold back? Learn how self-control can be one of the hardest—and most important—skills we ever learn.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's 1725, and an 18-year-old named Ben from Boston is working in London.

0:18.3

He's broke, but he's found a job as a printer's apprentice. Most nights his fellow

0:24.0

apprentices would head out together after work to a pub, for pints of beer, roasted meats,

0:30.3

all the comforts a teenager far from home might crave. And naturally, Ben wanted to join. But he didn't go.

0:38.3

Instead, he saved his hard-earned money,

0:42.3

ate cheaper meals, plain bread or gruel,

0:46.3

and instead of beer, he drank water.

0:49.3

Why? Because he wanted something bigger.

0:53.3

He was hoarding every shilling, not for beer tonight, but for books tomorrow.

0:59.9

Books that would feed a different kind of hunger.

1:03.8

That choice, bread instead of beer, books instead of banquets,

1:09.4

helped shape the young man who would become Benjamin Franklin,

1:13.5

printer, inventor, diplomat, and founding father.

1:19.5

In this episode, we look at the power and challenge of exerting the kind of self-control

1:24.7

that Ben Franklin embodied, whether that's at the pub, in the checkout line,

1:31.5

or on the baseball diamond.

1:33.4

I'm Dr. Katie Milkman, and this is Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab.

1:53.5

It's a show about the psychology and economics behind our decisions.

1:57.8

We bring you true and surprising stories about high-stakes choices, and then we examine

2:03.0

how these stories connect to the latest research in behavioral science. We do it all to help you

2:08.7

make better judgments and avoid costly mistakes. Ladies and gentlemen, he makes his debut, opening day at first base.

2:26.5

This is really something.

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