Welcome back, everyone. To the Epic Gardening podcast, Kevin the

spirit here, we are joined by the one and only farmer Nick and urban farmer, a

community gardener, a plant coach. He's got a newsletter actually that I think

you started it this year, right? Nick started during the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

It's called the growing green newsletter. So you can check that out in the podcast

description. But Nick, we talked about how that you got your house plant dad into

skies and you're really using the house plants in a sense, not of course you like them. We all do.

But there's a deeper mission to it and it's sort of getting people into this wider world of

growing their own food. And then of course, the even wider world of sustainability topics.

And so how do you see plants fitting into that tapestry? I think I have my own ideas,

but I'm curious how you see it. It's a great question. And I think it starts with just pure

exposure. And when you think about how many folks live in cities now, and it's close to 50%,

it's going to hit 68% by 2030, which is an astounding number. Yeah. Those folks, especially those

living in New York, which is very much a concrete jungle, very much more so than LA.

But if you're living in New York, you might never put your foot on soil on grass for weeks at a time

because you're touching concrete, you're touching wood, all these other surfaces you're never

touching the earth. And my philosophy is how are we supposed to get people to care about the

planet and voting for politicians who care about these things and making personal choices when they

are not exposed to it in the first place. And I always joke that you could solve climate change

tomorrow if you took all the plastic waste that we send to other countries and dumped it in the

Hamptons or in Malibu because everyone's like, oh my god, where did this come from? It's been here

the whole time. And I very much view plants as kind of that botanical bridge that are going to

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