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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Peter Beinart on anti-Semitism in America and illiberalism in Israel

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 29 November 2018

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

This is a conversation I’ve been putting off, if I’m being honest. I can’t hold it from the safe space of journalistic distance. It’s about the strange, vulnerable space that many Jews, myself included, find themselves in today. The first part of this conversation is about being Jewish at a time of rising anti-Semitism in the Western world. The October massacre at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue was the worst act of anti-Semitic violence ever committed on American soil. In 2017, Charlottesville, Virginia, protesters waved torches while chanting “Jews will not replace us.” It’s often said that anti-Semitism is a light sleeper. It feels like it’s stirring. The second, and separate, part of this conversation is about Israel. The peace movement in the Jewish state has collapsed, and the country has decided a repressive illiberalism is the best guarantor of safety. They’ve found plenty of allies on the American right for that project, but it’s one that shreds the humanistic and pluralistic ideals that many diaspora Jews, myself included, believe in. All of this is coming at a time that has reminded many of us of the core lessons of Judaism: the importance of remembering what it’s like to be a stranger in a strange land, of knowing that bigotry takes whatever forms it requires to justify itself, of maintaining humanity amid struggle. Peter Beinart is an associate professor of journalism and political science at the City University of New York. He’s also a columnist at the Atlantic and the Forward, a CNN contributor, and author of The Crisis of Zionism. He’s a thoughtful and courageous writer on these issues, and I’m grateful he joined me for this conversation. Recommended books: Covenant & Conversation series by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks Spiritual Radical: Abraham Joshua Heschel in America by Edward Kaplan The Captive Mind by Czeslaw Milosz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's perfectly possible and has always been possible to be extremely prosynist and

0:07.0

anti-Semitic.

0:08.3

Think about it.

0:09.3

If you have Jews that you don't want to live in your country, the idea of them having

0:13.5

their own country is an extremely interesting idea.

0:16.7

Hello, welcome to the Client Show on the Box Media Podcast Network.

0:33.0

This is a strange and honestly unsettling time to be Jewish in America.

0:39.1

We just saw in the synagogue shooting the deadliest act of anti-Semitic violence in American

0:44.3

history.

0:45.8

There has been an emboldening of anti-Semitism in this country.

0:50.0

I don't think Donald Trump himself is anti-Semitic.

0:52.1

I say that in this episode.

0:53.9

But there is much in his movement and in the things he has done or more importantly not

0:57.8

done that seems to have emboldened anti-Semites.

1:00.8

All of us who are journalists who write about these issues and are on social media get flooded

1:04.9

with anti-Semitic commentary and ways that we didn't use to.

1:08.8

And at the same time, Israel has become a very different place.

1:12.2

It's become a much more illiberal place.

1:14.4

The peace movement there is very much collapsed.

1:16.4

The rise of politicians like Avogore Lieberman, the right wing lurch of Benjamin Netanyahu.

1:21.6

It's made that space also feel unfriendly.

1:24.0

It's made that space also feel like something going in a direction I can't support.

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