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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

How to be a better carnivore

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, News Commentary, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.5 • 11.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2018

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Here are two things I believe. First, the way we treat the animals we kill for food is shameful. Second, only a tiny percentage of the population will go vegetarian or vegan and stay that way, at least until lab-grown meat gets a lot better. The middle ground is treating the animals we kill for food more humanely. Take fish. In the United States, most of the fish we eat die by slowly suffocating to death on the deck of a boat, struggling for air. That’s horrendously cruel — and it makes for acidic, rubbery, smelly food. There’s a better way. And in this episode of Dylan Matthews’s Future Perfect, he explores it. This podcast is also a powerful example of living your deepest values. Dylan is a vegetarian because he cares about animal suffering, but because reducing suffering is what he cares about most, he’s willing to go to a place vegetarianism alone could never have taken him. I can’t recommend it enough. Subscribe to Future Perfect: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Pocket Casts Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/EKS-Ship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This time of year, many people want to give back, but it is hard to know where your donation

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will do the most good.

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GIVOL's exacting standards.

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This is something I do to make sure that my charitable dollar goes as far as it possibly

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can.

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Get more information at givol.org.

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Hello, welcome to this video on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

0:49.5

You may remember that once ago I did an episode, one of my favorite episodes with Melanie

0:54.3

Joy called the Green Pill.

0:56.0

And the Green Pill is about the idea of carnism.

0:58.9

It is about how we treat animals.

1:01.0

How and whether we see the ideology behind how we treat animals, how we raise them, how

1:05.0

we let them suffer, how we kill them.

1:07.4

One of the criticisms I got of that episode, a criticism I thought was in many ways strange,

1:11.9

was that people felt it didn't create space for anything in between being a vegan and being

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