This is the recent interview with Nick Gillespie. Thanks for listening. Today I'm talking with former South Bend, Indiana, mayor, and Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, one of the most visible nationally recognized Democrats. And he's been making the rounds of colleges and podcasts and cable news shows over the past few months. It's going all over the country. My producer

tells me that he's headed to New Hampshire soon, according to his mailing list, which might be

an indication that he's running for president or thinking about it. I'm talking with him today

less because he's one of the most prominent Democrats in the country, and more because he's been reaching out to libertarians on issues recently, such as holding ICE accountable.

Pete Buttigieg, thanks for talking to reason.

Thanks a lot for having me on. Glad to be with you.

So first up, are you running for president?

I'm a long way from any kind of decision like that.

But I do know that as somebody

who has a level of national visibility and really cares about the issues going on in the country

that I should be speaking out, traveling, trying to reach different kinds of audiences. And that's

what I'm doing. And listening, right? You should be listening. Yes. Absolutely.

Yeah. As much listening. What, well, right? You should be listening. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, as much listening.

What, well, let's talk a little bit about ICE because I think you recently, about a couple

weeks ago, you had a tweet. This was after Renee Good and Alex Pretty, pretty were shot and killed by

ICE agents. You tweeted, if there was ever a moment for

libertarians and conservatives to step up and join the rest of us, we're in it. Americans have to

unite and stop this descent from a freedom-loving nation into the kind of place where mass

militarized government agents are sent to politically non-compliant areas to roam the streets,

terrorize villains, and deploy violence with impunity.

To which I say, absolutely, I would, you know, for the record reason, which has been around

since 1968, we don't have House editorials, but all of our writers opposed the Patriot Act

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