This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie, where I go deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, and scholars who are making the world a more libertarian, or at least a more interesting place, by championing free minds and free markets.

My guest today is Michael Shermer, the founder of Skeptic Magazine, and the author most recently of truth, what it is, how to find it,

and why it still matters. We talk about what it means if your name is in the Epstein files,

and I'll tell you straight up, both Shermer's and my name are in the Epstein files, why Holocaust

denialism is rising, and why free speech is more endangered than ever. And we talk about

why enlightenment values such as open inquiry, rational argumentation, and representative

government must be defended. Here is the reason interview with Michael Shermer.

Thanks everybody for coming out and we are talking with Michael Shermer. Thanks, everybody, for coming out.

And we are talking with Michael Shermer, who is a repeat guest, a repeat offender on the

reason interview.

We're going to talk about his magazine Skeptic, which has been publishing since 1992.

We're going to talk about his general work and his life,

including some embarrassing things, I hope.

But we're also going to mostly talk about his new book,

Truth, what it is, how to find it, and why it still matters.

Michael, thanks for talking to reason.

Thanks, Nick.

Thanks, everybody. So let's start by talking about the fact that you're in the Epstein files.

Oh, my God. Hopefully this is the embarrassing part. Yeah. Well, that depends on how much is

unredacted, right? But you recently did a podcast and all of your stuff can be found

at skeptic.com and elsewhere, but you talked about how you're in the Epstein files. And the whole

kind of Epstein files, myasma, or it's, you know, it's, and I'm going from a myasma to a cloud,

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