On this week's podcast, we'll be looking at whether the government has been loosening the lockdown restrictions too early and the ripples across the world of the appalling killing

of George Floyd in America and the protests that have followed. I'll be talking to Sheila Jackson

Lee, a congresswoman who knows the Floyd family. And there's also a gripping interview with Michael

O'Leary, the boss of Ryanair.

Also with us are David Lammy, the Shadow Justice Secretary, and a former Chief of Staff

who looked after Theresa May in her heyday, Nick Timothy.

I'm delighted to be joined in Switzerland by Nick Timothy,

but first I'm going to go to David Lamy, Shadow Justice Secretary.

We've seen today in the UK thousands and thousands of British people turning out in solidarity with Americans who are protesting

over the death of George Floyd. No social distancing going on at those demonstrations.

I suppose two questions. One is, is it responsible of people to go out and demonstrate in that

way? And secondly, why do you think this is resonating

so much in this country?

Well, look, I think the right to protest,

the right to civil disobedience is important in a democracy.

And clearly, loads of Brits, loads of young people

are motivated to campaign, not just, I think, for justice for African-Americans and against the horrible brutalising of black men dying in these numbers at the hands of the police.

But I think also are motivated because of the

language, the rhetoric and the actions of Donald Trump and the context, not just the national

populism that he's driving in his country, but the energy that that's generating in our

own country and across the world.

And that's what I think young people are taken to the streets of the campaign against.

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