Welcome to the Peston podcast on this week's show. We have Matt Hancock explaining how his test and track and trace and isolate scheme is allegedly going to replace the lockdown and we'll get some of our freedoms back.

He also just going to try and defend Dominic Cummings. I'm also talking to the brilliant playwright James Graham, who some would say created the Dominic Cummings myth.

So how is the real Dominic Cummings living up to the myth?

And also joining us the former Home Secretary Amber Rudd and the former Labour Minister

who grilled the Prime Minister on the liaison committee, Yvette Cooper.

I'm delighted that Theresa Maynard on the Liaison Committee, Yvette Cooper.

I'm delighted that Theresa May's Home Secretary is with us. Amber, you know the characters in the cabinet terribly well.

Dominic Cumming, should he quit?

Robert, I'm desperately worried about this whole reveal that's been going on with Dominic Cummings, should he quit? Robert, I'm desperately worried about this whole reveal

that's been going on with Dominic Cummings.

Matt Hancock announced today that there were over 400 COVID-related deaths.

That brings to a total of over 1,000 since Saturday.

This is still incredibly serious, and people are angry. People are now confused. So my answer to your question is, yes, I really think he should quit because he's making things worse. People have been great during the lockdown in a really difficult period. They have complied. And now they're confused and that makes them angry and I think

that'll have consequences. So when he thinks, as any of us working in government must, am I

adding here, am I helping? He can only conclude that his presence is making things worse at a time

when we're already in a crisis. Now, he's obviously not himself concluded

that because he's saying that he didn't for an instance even think about resigning, but you

also know Boris Johnson, you know only for donkeys years. Why do you think he hasn't sacked

Dominic Cummings? Because normally when you on thinks of Boris Johnson, we think of somebody

who's pretty ruthless in self-preservation. Well, I think that Boris can see in Dominic a winner. I mean, Boris has done very well in terms

of winning the vote leave, then winning his own competition in the Conservative Party, and then, of course,

the election last year. And Dominic has been absolutely key in doing that. So I think he sees him as like a kind of talisman,

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