It's the Brian Lera Show on WNYC.

Good morning, everyone.

In the presidential race, there was an interesting analysis in the New York Times over the weekend called,

where joy meets anger,

Harris and Trump battle for undecided voters. It's based on New York Times survey research that

found there are only about three million voters genuinely up for grabs in the seven battleground

states. And they tend to be turned off by Trump's anger campaign, but also left kind of

cold by Harris's Democratic Convention that emphasized joy, and what they want is to figure out

who is best prepared to control the cost of living. Very straightforward in a certain way.

With us now, Ruth Agalnik, New York Times polling editor who conducts polls and analyzes

and reports on the results. And yes, listeners who roll your eyes at any discussion of polls,

and you know I roll my eyes at using polls too much in the media. This is one of those segments

that is about the polls, but that seems like the analysis carries some important narrative

information, not just horse race numbers that might be right or wrong. Ruth, thanks for joining us.

Welcome to WNYC. Thanks for having me. I'm sure you didn't write the headline, but would you say

Harris and Trump are each having some success by channeling feelings of anger and joy respectively?

And again, the headline was, where did it go?

Where joy meets anger, Harris and Trump battle for undecided voters.

So maybe they're each having some success by channeling

feelings of anger and joy respectively, but that there's a group of undecideds, people who are

probably going to vote in the key swing states and may be really central to deciding the outcome

of the election who aren't swayed by either?

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