Whenever you do something because like when it's coming out of insecurity and you're like,

and I was just saying this earlier, I've got to write like more upbeat stuff or like,

or this thing's hip, I should do that or whatever.

You're always behind and it's not authentic, your soul's not in it, you know?

Yeah.

The real risk is trusting what is coming through.

When you're actually saying something and doing something that feels deeply personal,

that's where the biggest risk is for sure to me, you know. Let it are back in. Let it all.

Hi, welcome back. I'm glad you're here. Settle in. This is a long one. I really, really liked this one,

even more than I expected. And I hope you do too. I'm going to keep this tight and get to the episode

with my friend Sam Burton as soon as possible. He is an artist. He's originally from Utah, and he now lives

in my neighborhood in L.A., which is how we met. And I thought about splitting this into two,

but I would have been bumped if I was listening and I had to wait another week. So here it is.

All in one piece. Listen to it at your leisure over a couple drives or walks or where do you listen?

Here's my conversation with Sam. He's an incredible musician. I was blown away when I finally saw him live for the first time.

I hope you go see him or catch him if you're in L.A. or when he's on tour and he has a new album coming out, which we talk about a little bit at the end.

And we get into a lot.

He came over to my apartment a couple weeks ago and we drank tea and talked for a couple hours.

And honestly, could have kept going.

He's deeply introspective and he's studied youngy in psychology

and he also reads tarot for himself and others and we get into that and how he got into all of that

and how it impacts his songwriting and I do the thing I've been doing the last several episodes

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