Okay, this is Durey. I'm welcome to Paziv the People. On this episode we're talking about immigration.

I realized that there are so many things about immigration that actually didn't know well,

which will have two experts on. Seventeen Irma to talk to us about how immigration affects young

people and I learned so much in this episode. Many of these kids ended up then being suspended

and that administrative proceeding, whatever outcome was, came from that, was being used by the

local police to determine whether or not they were engaged in gang activity or members of a gang.

And then we're sharing that information with ICE. And before we jump in, I'll just remind people

that you got to get close to the work and that curiosity has to be the first, the first step.

The people ask me all the time, they're like, how can I get plugged in, what can I do? And there's some,

you know, you can definitely join a group. There are a lot of great activists out there doing a lot

of interesting work and like, that's important. The thing though is that you are not as big of a help

if you just like don't understand any of the issues. So like start doing some research. If you

care about mass incarceration, start like researching the prison policy into two or the vera into two

or a host of other places that are doing incredible work around this just so you can just understand

it better. Like you got to know what the details are at some level and I just came back from prison

visits. I just came back from meeting with elected officials across the country and you know,

back home right now. And one of the takeaways from all of those meetings is just how much people

have forgotten that like people built this, that none of this is permanent. And because people

built it, people can build something different. And at the way you start to learn that, as they're

like you see the pieces, you like do research on that policy. Like why do we do it this way? It's like,

oh, that was like a law made in 1902 or like why is this like this? It's like, oh, that was a rule

that got ensued by that judge. And like when your curiosity takes you to the system instruction

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