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🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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We’ve long connected through our machines—now we’re connecting to them. On this episode, Daniel Barcay, MIT’s Sherry Turkle, and Hinge’s Justin McLeod discuss AI’s growing role in love, therapy, and connection. And what the rules of engagement should be.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, it's Daniel Marquay.
0:06.2	Welcome to your undivided attention.
0:08.4	A little while ago, I was asked to host a panel for a very different audience than we usually speak to.
0:12.8	It was part of a conference called Mating in the Metacrisis, organized by our dear friend Estere Perel,
0:18.2	who's of course a famous psychotherapist, a New York Times best-selling author,
0:22.4	and an expert on modern relationships in the age of AI.
0:26.9	We're in this room full of clinical psychologists who are there to find out how to help people
0:31.9	whose relationship to AI, and often their new quote-unquote relationships with AI,
0:37.2	are about to get deep, vulnerable, and complicated.
0:40.5	In our discussion, MIT sociologist Dr. Sherry Turkle, may be the world expert on technology, empathy, and ethics,
0:47.9	argued that we each have this inner life that makes us uniquely human and that can never truly be nurtured by an AI.
0:54.5	And Hinge CEO Justin McLeod talked about how apps have changed the nature of how we form
0:59.2	relationships, and how his dating app is trying to get people off the app and into the real
1:04.5	world on real dates, and how to use AI to do just that.
1:08.5	So, AI systems are quickly becoming more persuasive, emotional, and competing for our
1:13.5	intimacy.
1:14.5	As we relate more and more with our AI companions, how do we stay anchored in what makes
1:18.9	us human?
1:19.7	And how do we design our AI products to help us in our struggle to connect with each other?
1:24.3	Not perfectly, but honestly.
1:26.5	I hope you enjoy the episode.
1:30.7	So as an engineer by training, I was thinking, like, what do I have to say to a room
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