Hey, everyone. Welcome to your undivided attention. This is Azaraskin.

And this is Daniel Barcai.

So today's guest is Sam Hammond. He's the chief economist of the Foundation for American Innovation.

And I'm very excited to have this conversation with Sam, in part because we just come from different backgrounds.

We have different worldviews, sort of take different stances about the world.

And yet on the biggest thing, we seem to agree.

And so we really wanted to have this be a conversation about, well, how AI is going to go and how it can go well.

The recap is AI companies and global superpowers are in a race to develop ever more powerful

models, moving faster and faster without guardrails. And of course, this dynamic is unstable.

Putin has said whoever wins AI wins the world.

Elon Musk says AI is probably the way World War III starts. We've just passed the threshold of the

latest anthropic models, starting to have expert level virology skills. And there are really

two end states that we've talked about on the podcast, and I think Sam sees two.

And that's either we end up in a dystopia where a handful of states and companies get a previously unimaginable amount of wealth and power,

or that power is distributed to everyone and that world ends in increasingly uncontrollable chaos, which will then make the move

to dystopia even more likely.

And so there is a narrow path to getting it right, where power is matched with the

responsibility at every scale, but right now we aren't on that path.

And so today's episode is really about how we might get on that path.

So, Sam, thank you so much for coming on your undivided attention.

Thank you for having me.

Now, Sam, as you can probably hear, I'm just getting over a little cold,

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