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🗓️ 15 May 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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0:00.0 | Hey everyone, this is Daniel Barquay. Welcome to your undivided attention. |
0:09.4 | You've probably seen a lot of the news lately about AI companions, these chat bots that do |
0:13.5 | way more than just answering your questions. They talk to you like a person, they ask you about |
0:18.1 | your day, they talk about the emotions you're having, things like that. |
0:21.6 | Well, people started to rely on these bots for emotional support, even forming deep relationships with them. |
0:27.6 | But the thing is, these interactions with AI companions influence us in ways that are subtle, in ways that we don't realize. |
0:33.6 | You naturally want to think that you're talking with a human because that's how |
0:38.5 | they're designed. But they're not human. They're platforms incentivized to keep you engaging as long as |
0:44.5 | possible, using tactics like flattery, like manipulation, and even deception to do it. We have to remember |
0:51.6 | that the design choices behind these companion bots, they're just that, |
0:55.5 | they're choices, and we can make better ones. Now, we're inherently relational beings, and as we |
1:02.2 | relate more and more to our technology, and not just relating through our technology to other people, |
1:08.3 | how does that change us? And can we design AI in a way that helps |
1:12.4 | us relate better with the people around us? Or are we going to design an AI future that replaces |
1:17.5 | human relationships with something more shallow and more transaction? So today on the show, we've invited |
1:24.7 | two researchers who've thought deeply about this problem. |
1:33.6 | Patty Maas and Pat Pat Peranutapan are co-directors of the advancing humanity through AI lab at MIT. |
1:39.4 | Patty is an expert in human-computer interaction, and Pat is an AI technologist and researcher, |
1:45.8 | and a co-author of an article in the MIT Technology Review about the rise of addictive intelligence, |
1:47.4 | which will link to in the show notes. |
1:50.2 | So I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. |
1:54.8 | Patty and Pat, welcome to your undivided attention. |
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