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Echo Chambers of One: Companion AI and the Future of Human Connection

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🗓️ 15 May 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

AI companion chatbots feel human but they're not. They're platforms designed to maximize engagement, risking artificial intimacy and addictive intelligence. MIT’s Pattie Maes & Pat Pataranutaporn join the show to discuss better paths forward.

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, this is Daniel Barquay. Welcome to your undivided attention.

0:09.4

You've probably seen a lot of the news lately about AI companions, these chat bots that do

0:13.5

way more than just answering your questions. They talk to you like a person, they ask you about

0:18.1

your day, they talk about the emotions you're having, things like that.

0:21.6

Well, people started to rely on these bots for emotional support, even forming deep relationships with them.

0:27.6

But the thing is, these interactions with AI companions influence us in ways that are subtle, in ways that we don't realize.

0:33.6

You naturally want to think that you're talking with a human because that's how

0:38.5

they're designed. But they're not human. They're platforms incentivized to keep you engaging as long as

0:44.5

possible, using tactics like flattery, like manipulation, and even deception to do it. We have to remember

0:51.6

that the design choices behind these companion bots, they're just that,

0:55.5

they're choices, and we can make better ones. Now, we're inherently relational beings, and as we

1:02.2

relate more and more to our technology, and not just relating through our technology to other people,

1:08.3

how does that change us? And can we design AI in a way that helps

1:12.4

us relate better with the people around us? Or are we going to design an AI future that replaces

1:17.5

human relationships with something more shallow and more transaction? So today on the show, we've invited

1:24.7

two researchers who've thought deeply about this problem.

1:33.6

Patty Maas and Pat Pat Peranutapan are co-directors of the advancing humanity through AI lab at MIT.

1:39.4

Patty is an expert in human-computer interaction, and Pat is an AI technologist and researcher,

1:45.8

and a co-author of an article in the MIT Technology Review about the rise of addictive intelligence,

1:47.4

which will link to in the show notes.

1:50.2

So I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

1:54.8

Patty and Pat, welcome to your undivided attention.

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