Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's twice weekly podcast on leadership

with Scott Miller, that's me. I'm your host each week where on Tuesdays and

Fridays we tape and release new episodes all designed to make you a better leader.

Of course, Franklin Covey is the most trusted leadership

firm in the world, founded by the seminal author Stephen R. Covey,

who, gosh, nearly 40 years ago, wrote among many books,

the seminal bestseller, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

So each week we try to share some insights from guests.

Sometimes they are best-selling authors,

captains of industry, CEOs of Fortune 10 companies.

In some cases, they're scientists, researchers,

artist, curators. In some cases there are people that you

may not know that have survived or recovered from some un-time unspeakable tragedies.

And so we'd like to interview people from broad walks of life

to make you more effective as a spouse, parent, partner, friend, leader, contributor

human and today I am delighted to announce that we have the phenob

couple Penn and Kim Holderness and if you don't know those names what rock have

you been living under after billions of

downloads and views of their social videos when they feature everyday

relatable life situations including Penn's remarkable ability to wrap them, which is embarrassing

but vulnerable and intoxicating.

Their newest book out, which is a New York Times bestseller is called

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