Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's twice weekly podcast on leadership

with Scott Miller. I'm your host where each week for about six years twice

weekly on Tuesdays and Thursdays I have the enormous privilege on behalf of Franklin Covey to interview guests

from all walks of life, all designed to make you a better leader, a better and more effective

individual, whether you are a CEO or an executive level leader, perhaps you're

a first time or first level leader, or maybe you're even an individual contributor, or in

between careers, we all want to have better leadership skills and be a more effective person.

So this podcast allows me on behalf of Franklin Covey again to have conversation with people

from all walks of life.

Sometimes they are CEOs themselves, other times they are business leaders,

entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs, athletes, celebrities, academics, and even sometimes people

that may not be a household name but have done something remarkable or sometimes

survived something consequential and I've lived to tell about it and share about their lessons.

Today's guest is William Vander Blumen.

He is the founder of an executive search firm

aimed mainly at values and faith-based organizations,

but has written this phenomenally practical leadership book called Be the

the unicorn. 12 data-driven habits that separate the best leaders from the rest.

William, welcome to On leadership.

Thanks, Scott.

Appreciate you having me.

I, uh, it's like first time listener,

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