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Paul Mueller critiques industrial policy's resurgence, noting proponents conflate it with pro-market growth. He argues government direction leads to overproduction and resource misallocation, referencing China's EV troubles.

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 26 September 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Paul Mueller critiques industrial policy's resurgence, noting proponents conflate it with pro-market growth. He argues government direction leads to overproduction and resource misallocation, referencing China's EV troubles.

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. I welcome Paul Mueller, senior research fellow at the American Institute for Economic Research, graduated Ph.D. George Mason University taught at King's College in New York, now writing

0:22.0

for Civitas Outlook at Civitas Institute about free trade, about industrial policy. Here we are

0:30.1

in the 21st century, and industrial policy is an artifact of the 20th and the 19th and the 18th. However, it is in question again because of the

0:40.9

competition with large export-only nations. I could mention the People's Republic of China,

0:47.6

used to mention Germany. And those export nations have industrial policies, if I read them correctly.

0:56.5

And is that something that's desirable?

0:59.0

Does that accelerate past the system that the U.S. endeavors to call free trade?

1:05.0

All of this is attended to by Mr. Mueller, Professor Mueller,

1:10.0

in reviewing a new book that has recommendations for

1:13.8

industrial policy. And the reason this book is important is because not only is it very long

1:19.9

and written in for experts, economists, but it has a recommendation in the title, Industrial

1:26.5

Policy for the United States,

1:28.4

winning the competition for good jobs and high-value industries.

1:33.1

By Mark Fasteno and Ian Fletcher.

1:36.1

Paul, a very good evening to you.

1:38.0

This strikes me as something that is very aggressive.

1:41.8

What is your measure of this book now?

1:44.1

Is it in the marketplace for some

1:46.4

time? So they're summarizing for those of amateurs on the outside? Or is this a new wave

1:51.7

in economics? Good evening to you. Well, thank you for having me, John. I appreciate it.

1:57.3

This book, it's an impressive book. I mean, the authors have done their homework.

2:01.2

It's wide-ranging.

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