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This is C.J. Ortiz, the metal motivator.

And we're going to go into a deep discussion with Pat McNamara.

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Now, let's go into the interview with Pat Mac.

All right, let's jump to the questions.

Camping and hiking is the topic.

So starting out, if someone shows interest in camping or hiking,

what would you tell them in order to peak their interest even more

so somebody might be talking about a cursory amateurish thing about camping or hiking what

would you tell you say i would app i would say bro you you have to do this it's an imperative

there's too much out there you're going to miss so much because you don't know what you

don't know unless you're on the ground and it doesn't have to be grandiose doesn't have to be a

wilderness area right just go to a park even man you know just it could be a county park not even a

state park or a national park but there's a lot to see and it's's at your disposal. There's so many right here,

just in Moore County, little greenways and such, you know. Plus, the benefit of being out,

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