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...escaped... and died two years later. Meanwhile, eight years later, her daughter who had been kidnapped escaped from where she was being held. And she had seen that show. She had a TV where she was being held. She saw everybody give up hope because this is really... The psychic said, sorry, honey, she's dead. And so when I dived into why can't we get this? I really have dug deep. As I learn, and it's true, if the spirit, the person you're trying to connect, whether they're still in a body or not, so dead or alive is not in a coherent state. And can you imagine somebody's been kidnapped or was murdered either way, they're not probably gonna know where they are exactly. They're not gonna become a medium or psychic cannot come into resonance with them. And so Sylvia Brown tuned in and got silence. And to a medium or psychic, silence can feel like death. Hmm. So I felt something, but I couldn't be sure. So there's no way I'm going to say anything because my number one rule is do no harm. You know, that woman died. And luckily, I know that once she no longer had a body, she could tune into her daughter. And she knows from across the veil that her daughter is fine. But the harm that caused. So I dived in and I said, so somebody knows where this person is. Why can't we tap into that? And I've really, really come to understand now the importance of coherence, but not just in the medium and everybody involved because the information we're glinging is relational. It's not like we're tapping into the whole ocean and just picking up data. We're tapping into patterns. It's one patterned mine coming into resonance with another pattern, a field of being. So you two are in relationship. You have many shared memories. If one of you were across the veil, I would come into resonance with both of you, and whoever's across the veil would light up, think of a memory, and the other like a tuning fork, their field would light up, but you might not know it, but the medium would catch that, and then and would be able to share, oh, I'm sensing a memory because I'm seeing these images.

So. but you might not know it, but the medium would catch that. And then we'd be able to share, oh, I'm sensing a memory

because I'm seeing these images.

So resonance and coherence are hugely important.

Without resonance, there's no communication.

We're not transmitting information.

We're tuning forks resonating.

We don't receive.

We resonate.

Then the other really huge key is that data information is compressed when it comes through our nervous system. So details like this person is that coordinate, this many degrees north, this many degrees south, or is 2.3 miles from the left turn on Route 17 does not transfer through a nervous system. What does come through are sensations, imagery, feelings. And so, and I've seen this to be true over and over, so now it finally makes sense to me. If somebody is resonating lighting up for me, there's a man named John Smith. Who lived at 1925 Oak Street. What am I as a medium going to pick up? I sense a man. There's a name with a J or an S. Because this is specific data and I've seen a number five, but not the whole number. And I see an oak leaf. Now I can't tell that's oak street. But in a reading, that's the way information comes through with imagery and oak street, Oak Street street, maple and somebody that goes, oh, they lived on Maple Street. I'm seeing a maple leaf. Well, they lived on Maple Street. And we think, oh, cool, we got their street name. Yeah, because the person recognized that. I got somebody's password once. You know why? Because they were able to get through their dog's name, Daisy. Well, of course, they have a relationship with the dog. There's love with the dog. The client knew the dog. So I get Daisy and they go, oh, that's the dog. That's the dog's name. And it's also their password. So I didn't get their password. I picked up this relational data that was passed along, that was the dog, a memory. That's really amazing. And I think, you know, those two examples that you gave, and I know that your your background is not necessarily as a scientific take on what you can do. But you know, these two notions, this resonance notion and this compression of data, those things make a lot of sense for those of you out there who might be skeptical or might be trying to understand this. So the notion being that, and I don't know if it's so much as an excuse, but it's an explanation for why there is complexity in the things that we are trying to access when we are using a medium or trying to get in touch with information. And I think of people like Angela Ford who we had on, you know, someone who was trained to do remote viewing. She was trained to go into these kind of meditative states and she worked for the military for decades and, you know, the notion that it's not so simple as the data is floating out there and mediums are taught how to read the data. There needs to be some sort of coherence, some sort of resonance, whatever that means, vibrationally or conceptually or emotionally, and also that the information that comes in, and you know, we spoke to the Long Island medium, you know, Teresa Caputo, and you know, she's visibly, you know, in another plane when she's, you know, talking to you and she said she gets tastes and she gets smells and like all these symbols appeared to her and I'm thinking what is going on? But I like your explanation. I don't know if I'm like there 100% because I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, I like this notion that what if information that comes in is not coming in in the same way that it would in a laboratory setting where you're trying to do a double blind experiment and you're trying to have it stand up to the rigors of the scientific method, it's a different kind of data. You know, the example that I kind of came up with, and I don't know if it makes sense, but if I were to tell you that I believe in falling in love and your answer was, okay, well, I'm gonna give you a stranger fall in love with them and prove to me that you can fall in love, that's not how love works, right? It doesn't obey those rules. It's about a lot of other things in many cases unseen. Definitely resonance. Right, right. There has to be resonance. There has to be, anyway, so I really appreciate, I really appreciate this notion of some sort of resonance or compatibility between the CIR and the CE, and also this notion that data is not going to come in the way we would think, like, what are the lottery numbers? The way that data might come in. If I could, may I share my one really excellent example of a missing person's case was with Kim Canton, who became, well known when her family was truly affected by the Montecito Mutslide a few years back. Her house was washed away. Her daughter, there's an iconic picture of her daughter being pulled from under this mountain of mud after six hours being buried. Unfortunately, Kim was in the hospital having surgery because she was badly injured and They found her husband's body on the beach miles away and they couldn't find her son. And it after a while, it became clear that he was dead, but they couldn't find him. So she reached out to a lot of mediums and psychics. And I was one of them. She started calling me Navy Suzanne. She differentiated the different mediums. And so I said, I don't know if I can find him, but I can let you know how he's doing. And I did a regular reading for her and connected with her husband and her son with evidence about them. Like, give me an example. Like, you're doing a reading of this woman's deceased husband and son, which is so heartbreaking, it's like a tragedy, I can't even imagine.

What was the information that indicate, I mean, I don't mean to test you, but like, yeah, what was the information that indicated you access them? I should be able to describe very unique personalities and differentiate them. This is your son, he's like this, this is your husband, and this is what your relationship was like, spot on. And then you're, I'm seeing a, like a sport coat with a, what do you call that?

A seal or'm seeing a, like a sport coat with a, what do you call that? A seal or a embroidered thing on there, like you'd wear it at a prep school. And she goes, oh, but my son didn't go to a prep school. And I said, this is very clear. And she realized her husband was so proud of the prep school. He went to it. It was his jacket. So bits and pieces. When you say you saw it, is it like in your mind's eye, you see it floating?

Is it on a body? I don't see their faces, but I saw that emblem. Emblem, yeah, from his prep school. You know, there's some people who can't picture like an apple in their head. You're picturing things that are attached to, like, is it on a body? It's just an image. Are you

visually seeing it?

It's an image of a suit coat with an emblem and then that came with the knowing this is a prep school jacket. Wow. Okay, keep going. And the sun showed me what kind of sports he was involved in those kinds of things. And their message was, we were okay and we're so glad the boys are together here and new two girls are together there. Now, anybody could make up that message, but that's what they

wanted to convey. We're okay

And but as far as getting location data nothing well

Several really good mediums all said the same thing. He said I don't know exactly where I am

But and he said and but you will find. You will find me and I'm fine. And she wanted to have something to bury. George Lucas from Star Wars gave her one of the sabers from the actual movie because he was a big star their son was a big Jack was a big Star Wars fan and she wanted to bury that with some part of Jack.

So they narrowed down the search with the help of the mediums and she called me one day and said, I'm in the area where we think we've got him. What are you sensing? And I just tuned into Jack, because I now feel him. I know what he feels like and I said, he's showing me a dead crow and she looked around and she said, there's a dead crow. She took a picture. She hadn't even seen it yet.

I said, he's showing me X marks the spot.

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