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And Dr. Canuth is going to open up about his own paranormal experience he had decades ago that changed the way he viewed even his own scientific research. Here is part two of our conversation with Dr. Kevin Canuth. Break it down. You have a colleague who studies very specific material. What is he focused on and what can we learn from that? Matthew is a colleague of mine at UAlbany, absolutely brilliant, great guy. He has developed a new technique to study, to basically detect the isotopes in a material. So, and it's non-destructive. So he basically radiates it with neutrons. So basically when you radiate the material with neutrons, you're throwing neutrons into the nuclei. You're breaking the object, you're making those nuclei radioactive. And then they decay. So you watch them decay, and you watch the decay rates, and then you figure out what element that was, and you then know what it decayed into. So you know what it had been before you made it radioactive. And that's basically what he's doing. So it's a brilliant technique and works. And so he's been looking at material from purported crash sites and UFO crashes. And this again, extremely difficult work because of the community we're dealing with with has all sorts of beliefs about what this is already before you look at it. And I'll just quote Matthew here. One day I asked him how it was going and what he's found and he goes, I have analyzed more earth dirt than I would have ever imagined. Basically, and that's one of the problems we're finding here. The UFO community has thrilled that we scientists are involved, but in a lot of ways we ruin everything. We ruin all the fun. Because we find out that most of these things are not that interesting. So most of these these material he's analyzed, it's not interesting and clearly not alien. And I think that's causing some conflict. We have the community now is like, well, wait a minute, you guys are saying this isn't what we thought it was. And so this isn't evidence, but they want evidence so badly that this is becoming a bit of a problem. But I think this is sort of a reckoning moment, you know, for this community because, you know, what we have to believe is that if there is a truth, we should be able to communicate that truth among believers and nonbelievers. It's the point of truth. It doesn't take sides and it's not partisan. The truth is the important part, right? We want to get to the truth, and that means that we've got to get rid of all the stuff that isn't true. And some of that's hard for some people to let go of, but you're going to have to let you have it if you want to get to the truth. Yeah. One of the most interesting things that many of us, you know, have heard in support of there are UFOs coming from other places is it's made of a material that couldn't have been made, right, on this planet. It's got properties that we've never seen. It's put together in a way, right? So even if some of those things, let's say, are harder to decipher, what's the story with angel hair? I thought I had heard everything. Angel hair is weird. And it turned out to get weirder the more I looked into it as well. There have been instances where you've had UFOs hovering and they're basically emitting or or expelling some kind of virus material that then floats down to earth and has been collected by people, sometimes collected and saved. And in fact, there's one of the biggest sightings happened during a soccer match in Florence. A couple UFOs flew over the field and then hovered over the field during the soccer match. There were 10,000 witnesses. It was such a dramatic event. The games stopped. The players were watching the UFOs. That's how dramatic it was. And then Angel Hair was coming down from the UFOs. And so this is in a newspaper article. And I think in our paper we have a picture from that newspaper article showing a girl holding up some Angel Hair. And the chemist at the time in Italy analyzed that Angel Hair and found that it contained like porous cate silica or something like glass, basically it was some kind of glass. And you know, but the problem is that that stuff was not very carefully collected. It was collected by people at a soccer match and then carried around with them until they could come. So it could have turned on it, you know, and so that could be what they were analyzing. So a chemist, Phyllis Buttinger has been, has studied, you know, chemical evidence at UFO landing sites and things like this. And Angel Hare is one of the things that she's studied. And that's weirder because she is found that Angel Hare is basically caterpillar silk. Oh. Again, my hands are up. I don't know. I really wish I had real, more meaningful answers. Right, I'm trying to think of a number of solutions that might not be UFO. None of them make a lot of sense. Like why would an adversarial government need to drop caterpillar silk over a football match in 1954 in Florence? But the, you know, the, if I let my brain kind of dream and imagine,

there's some sort of organic material

that is somehow related to unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Like I can say that.

It's not clear why this is happening or how it's happening

and how the angel hair is emitted by these objects. Our paper we have a painting made by a person who witnessed this. There was a these footlong cylinders flew over their house and they had a pond in their property and these cylinders were hovering over the pond and other cylinders came in from other places and they were spinning and spewing out this angel hair which they collected and was found to be the same stuff as caterpillar so it's related to it. It's unbelievable. They get anybody knows what to make of it right? Just circling back to your colleague who you know you said was a bit of a a downer.

Is he finding anything that really is unusual that he can't explain? He has found that he had

had some material from a purported crash site and that material he can't make radioactive.

It basically shields and absorbs all the radiation he can throw at it. And he had it, he put it in a box with a plutonium source for a week and took it out and it was not affected by it. So it's really strange and that's interesting because if I wanted to make radiation shielding, that's exactly what I would do. That's what you would hope for. So a spaceship with radiation shielding, this would be amazing radiation shielding. Whatever this material is. So he's still studying it actually. And we don't have that capability currently. No. It would be very helpful if we did have it because we could create casing that would then prevent our own nuclear material from causing harm. It would be great to have some radiation shielding like that material. That's interesting stuff. Is it possible to break it down in reverse engineer it or we don't have that capability? You can do it and he's working on getting more information about it. So he's studying it now. So I think he's hoping to be able to break it down

at some point and figure out what it's doing.

He is my hypothesis is what's going on. I mean, out of all the things that we're talking about, like that seems for me the most interesting, like Angel Haram, like, that's weird, it's just weird, right? It's just weird, but not all that practical, But this where it speaks to how a craft might move,

it speaks to advancements that we need,

because the idea would be if they're moving around undetected, then they have more sophisticated technology than we do, and we would benefit from that. So, what do you think about that, Emma? I just... I'm gonna throw up my hands like Dr. Knewuth. I don't know. The first thing I thought when I heard about this angel hair was I thought of the Biblical report of mana from heaven, which they think may have been some sort of, you know, kind of heart, high carbohydrate, I believe, kind of stuff that comes off this plant, that in theory could sustain you if you didn't have a lot

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Right, right.

So it's a byproduct.

It's something going on in the craft that could be the exhaust of. I'm just saying that we want, yes, if there's hoofbeats, it's usually horses. So if you see an unidentified flying object and it's throwing caterpillar silk down, yeah, the most logical explanation is they want us to receive it. I'm like, you build a castle with it. I don't know. But what's what often, you know, can can can happen, obviously not as commonly, but it still could happen is that we're trying to interpret the wrong thing, right? I mean, I'm sure Dr. Kinnuth, you probably have this all the time. You're focusing on one thing, but that actually might not be what's going on much like the Epstein files and many wars around the world, right? Like where are we being distracted? And if we're talking about beings that either live here or come from other, you know, galaxies or star systems, if they have that level of sophistication, of travelability, detection ability, there are probably not going to be as simple minded as we are. That's my guess. I think there's a divide between there's some evidence that we can't quite figure out. There's the scientific work of proving and trying to create an explanation which is, you know, deconstructing material and trying to understand the physical properties of the material, trying to understand propulsion, that then feeds into the evidence. And then there's theory based on, you know, being immersed in enough of this information to ask like, what does it mean? What is the purpose? And that is of course the hardest part because we don't have enough of the other two to to satisfy. What are they doing? What is their intent and what are they doing? And I think that can be that's probably also the hardest because if they aren't human, then they could be thinking very differently than we are, right? Very different motivations. It does make us think a little bit about the spiritual texts that we've seen as clues in a way. Like, why would it be about nuclear? Why would it be that they're showing up in these particular areas? Why would it be that if the Russians are moving around material and having war games, that that is the signal that they're being drawn to? What is it about Earth that they find so interesting? Do they have a vested interest in the evolution of Earth, the materials, the survival or not of the planet in some way? Are they benevolent or are they, you know, harvesting? Like these are all big ideas. I don't know if, you know, we want to spend a little bit of time just exploring sort of how you think, you know, not necessarily with a concrete proof of any of it. The most common thing people will say is, was clearly they, you know, we have some, they've been here a long time. These sightings like this go back centuries. And so if they've been here a long time, then the argument usually as well, if they wanted to conquer us and colonize earth, they would have done it already. Well, maybe, maybe not, you don't actually know. The picture I've kind of put together that seems to describe a lot of what's going on is that they could have discovered Earth a long time ago and have bases here where they're basically studying the biology. I mean, we would do the same thing. We would study the biology. wasn't until the middle of the last century, till World War II, really, that humans became powerful enough that we could really wreck the planet. You know, with the nuclear weapons, we could destroy the planet with our pollution. You know, we are destroying the planet. So this became, we became a problem. And if you think of them as having found earth, you know, earth, they may have a mindset, earth is their planet, right? And we happen to live here. And, but now humans are a danger to their planet. And so we could end up in a conflict eventually, if that's the case. So it may not be that they wanted to colonize or they've done it the way they wanted to already. They did so a long time ago. But we could be a problem at this point. And they could be watching us very closely to make sure that, you know, see what we're doing and to try to dissuade us in some ways or whatever. Congress had noted that with the statement that they had become UFOs had become more aggressive toward our pilots in war zones in the last few years. They've been flying at our planes and things like that. So Louis, Eliz'Zondo had mentioned that to me as well. The 2015, they had near daily sightings in the Persian Gulf where they were flying sorties into Syria. And in that case, they actually had to fly, they would be flying to Syria from the aircraft carrier and they would have UFOs flying at the planes and then dodging them at last minute. They were taking that to be an aggressive maneuvers, which is very possibly what's going on. So that's kind of the picture that I've kind of put together. They've been here a long time. They study Earth and now we're a bit of a problem. We know we know we're a problem we we recognize that already to some degree so when was that increase in how they were interacting with pilots those instances were in 2015 it's fascinating to think about this being their planet where are they right we talked know, potentially that they are here, they're trying to evade larger detection. Where would they actually be? Well, the oceans are very poorly explored and great places to hide, great places to live actually. So I would guess probably in the ocean somewhere. And two thirds of the UFO sightings are, you know, related to water. So and especially with UFOs going into water coming out of water, they could very well live in the water. I mean, living in an ocean is a great place to live. mammals do it all the time, but we're talking about aliens. Right. Yes. So we live on a surface where you have to deal with an atmosphere. And atmospheres of planets can vary dramatically. So you go to Venus, which is just on the edge of the habitable zone, and they atmosphere 800 degrees Fahrenheit on a normal day, right? And then you go to Mars, which is further out on the other edge of the

habitable zone and you're looking at something like 100 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. So you've got literally a thousand degree difference in atmospheric temperatures that you would have to deal with going from planet to planet. Now if you go to an ocean, a liquid water ocean water is very common and oceans seem to be common. So, you go to a liquid water planet, a liquid water is only liquid from what, 32 degrees Fahrenheit to 212 degrees Fahrenheit. So you've got a more limited range of temperatures. And you would have to worry about water pressure, but you can actually descend to a depth where you've got pressures that you can deal with. And you're shielded from radiation, you're shielded from solar flares, cosmic rays, you're shielded from meteorite impacts to some degree. Are they living in vessels underneath there? Are they able to breathe? I think we have a hard time picturing things that are not carbon based, right? Meaning, I don't know. I can make up any number of things. There's some detection where they can be collapsed into water molecules. I don't know. I don't know what that means. It's been observed that craft go into the water and come out of the water. And those, there's some of the oldest sightings because they're kept in ship for a ship's records. Richard Dolan in his more recent book has lists of sightings like this that go back, easily go back 200 years. So whether they live in their ships underwater, which you could easily do, or are there cities down there? Are they from there? I mean, did they evolve underwater? And they're just another intelligent species on this planet that we even, even that's been staying away from us? That's possible too. Can you talk a little bit about what role you think the government plays in the information that we're allowed to have, the information that we should have and talk a little bit about this age of disclosure and some of the acknowledgement that there is research and in many cases compelling evidence that has been kept from the public. Our governments have been interested in these things since the 1940s. The Scandinavian sightings go back, you know, the ones that captured their attention go back to the 1930s actually. But Roswell, the Roswell crash happened in 47, along with another crash that happened two weeks later, only about 100 miles away. So you have, and you actually have a spike of sightings there that goes up from an average of seven sightings in the US per day. And during that week, jumps up to about 250 sightings per day across the country. Now, it's just because of Kenneth Arnold having seen these being in the paper very possibly, but some of these sightings are very compelling with landings and hundreds of people witnessing them. And so it's interesting, something interesting was going on. And whether that just captured our attention or was actually an increase of activity, I don't think you would have you need to have more information to be able to study that. But that seems to be when our government became interested in this. So there and there has to be some people who have known that these things were non-human craft for a long time.

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