Hi, I'm Mayan Bialik. I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation with Greg Brayden. Wow. This conversation we get so personal with Greg and also theoretical on the personal note. He talks about a near death experience that changed the course of his life and actually opened him up to extra sensory abilities I have not heard him speak about this anywhere else. We're also going to talk about simulation theory. We actually, I think this is the most we've ever talked about simulation theory with any guest. We talk about the Mandela effect. We talk about what a divine connection can mean if we are living in a simulation. And we're also going to talk about fractal time. We'll talk about some of the the Bible code and how that's informed some of his theories. There's a lot that we disagree with Greg on. There's a lot that we challenge him on. But there's so much in this part of this episode that we cannot wait to share with you. Greg Braden is a New York Times best-selling author. He's trained in geology and computer science and he's a pioneer in this field. The paradigm bridging science, social policy, and human potential. Our first episode talked about all of his incredible work regarding divinity, regarding transhumanism. And this part of the episode, you will learn a lot more about him as a person, and really where these theories can take us in the field of consciousness. Break it down. If there's a struggle for our divinity, how do we, how do we win that struggle? And this was really, this is where a very deeply spiritual evolution happens here. Because the idea of winning, that's an old idea of conflict against conflict. We don't want to win. We want to triumph. The way we triumph in this ancient struggle, if the goal of the struggle is to deny our divinity, we triumph by living our divinity, by living the best version of ourselves, by imagining freely and sharing our innovations openly with one another, the ability to share information by loving without fear, healing our bodies, forgiveness of one another, empathy, sympathy, compassion for our brothers and sisters, those are the qualities that allow us to triumph over this fundamental, in this fundamental struggle. And when we don't, and we're talking about climate change, we're talking about the pandemic, the question is, what do we become in the presence of what life brings to our doorstep? When an election doesn't go the way that we thought was going to go, or when we find that we've been lied to, what do we allow that to do to us? Do we allow it to drive us to become something we would never be in a million years, to become a hateful, vengeful being? And I've seen this happen and know you all have and our viewers have as well. When we have to push back on an idea, this is the big one for me. Do we push back from our love of the people and our family and our community that stand behind us or from our hate and our fear of what we perceive in front of us? That is the spiritual quandary that we find because we're all faced with a changing world. And we're going to push back. Do we push back from our love or from our fear and from our hate? And the answer, it might have the same outcome, ultimately in the physical world, but on a spiritual basis. We're going to get through all this. We're going to get through this convergence point. We're going to get through all this crazy stuff. We're going to get through it. The question is, what have we become as we've gone through this? What have we allowed the events of the world to drive us to become? That's why I wanted to say in this book, I'm acknowledging systems thinker. There's a fundamental struggle within that struggle. These things are happening to deny us from being the best version of ourselves. When we can claim our divinity, claim the best version of ourselves, moving forward in that rather than fighting against the things we don't like. It's a very, very different way of living. I was just thinking that maybe think of one of the kind of interpretations of one of the core prayers in Jewish liturgy. There's a section of the Shema, which is like the main, it's one of the main components of the Jewish prayer service. And there's this paragraph about the punishment, right? I'm just going to be clear because this is, you know, liturgical. There's a paragraph about the punishment that happens if we don't fulfill all of these things and the prayer is about love. It's about if we do not love in a particular way, there's a punishment. And I'm using like punishment in quotes because, you know, so the punishment is that, you know, the rains will not come. The earth will not produce what it needs to. You will not be sustained by this planet. And my rabbi, shout out to Reim Sideler-Feller, he gives an interpretation that this is an ecological statement from thousands and thousands of years ago that there are certain behaviors that unite us and connect us. And when we become distanced from one another and from God, right, there are repercussions. And it's kind of interesting because what many people would say, right, is this increased distance from each other ourselves and God has led to also a disregard and a disrespect for the planet itself and what's happening. The rains are not coming like they should, right? The earth is going in different directions, right? Either drought or genetically modified things that none of us should be eating, right? I'm not saying that like the prophecies of the, you know, prayers that Judah Ben Nasi, I think Judah Hanna-si, you know, codified in the Mishneik area. But I'm not saying that those are coming true and that that's my prophecy coming true. But the notion that there's an ancient belief and it's not just restricted to Judaism, There's an ancient belief that what we do and how we behave has larger implications on

the planet is not insignificant.

And that goes even one step further if you're familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

If you studied the scrolls, the war's steady.

I haven't studied.

I've seen that several times.

But yeah.

This is fascinating.

I mean, the oldest records of the Old Testament, unedited and there were 11 caves initially. It was in cave number one, the first cave and the first vase that they found and the first scrolls they found, one of those scrolls was called the War Scroll. And they did not want that to be released to the public until, and they didn't until 1995. And you have to say what could possibly warrant the time and energy and the money to keep that from being shared. Well, there's there's a piece of that war scroll and it describes the things you're talking about and it goes further and it describes a series of battles. Summer one by what are called the Sons of Darkness and summer one by what are called the sons of darkness and summer one by what are called the sons of light. The last battle, the sons of light prevail, but there's a catch, and the catch is the sons of light prevail through divine intervention. However, the people of the earth must accept their own divinity for that divine intervention to be possible. And the notion being that we're not talking about prophecy here, we're talking about a consciousness that exists, right? Has existed, again, in other traditions as well, this consciousness of a connection to the divine as, you know, a sort of healing force. It's just, you know, this is where language is probably insufficient because we're talking about these deeply spiritual concepts with a limited language of English and all the baggage that comes with words like love and like divine and like evil and all those things. There are other languages we could talk about us living in a simulated reality and the construct and the algorithms that drive the construct and what triggers certain protocols and algorithms. We could talk about it that way and we'd lose a lot of people and other people with Silicon Valley would love it, you know, and they do. But I think this is where it's important to live. Are we living in a simulation? The odds are more are greater than, do you want, can we talk about that? Sure. Oh yeah. Well, you're from the Nick Boastrams algorithm. Yes. Okay, 2001 Nick Boastram was the first that actually scientifically attempted to answer the question. It had been asked into 1940s. When the first computers were developed 1940s, they were one of the first things that was asked was, are we living in a computer program? We can do this here, as someone else did that, and we're in the computer program. That was a big question in the 1940s. So Nick Boastram, 2001, he took the world as his philosopher, the University of Washington, I think, is where he was from, and wrote his thesis on this. Took a number of algorithms, plugged them in, ran the algorithm, are variables. I'm sorry, plugged them in the algorithm, ran that. The odds came back. It's greater that we are in a simulated reality than we're not. This is probably not a base reality that we're probably living some kind of a construct. It flows with almost every indigenous tradition

because the Hindus have always said, this is the Maya, this is the illusion. The biblical traditions say we come from somewhere else, we're here for a while, this isn't the real world, we're gonna learn something here that we're gonna need where we go next. The Kabbalistic tradition says that is just being projected onto a screen. And so now the physics is actually showing the double slit experiment was the reinterpreted double slit experiment that just like if you do a video game on these computers and it's a complex video game, the computer cannot put the entire if there's like a jungle with buildings and houses and rooms, it's not all there at once. It only appears when that partner needs to be interacted with. A double-sood experiment suggests that our reality works that way as well. I remember studying this in physics. Yeah, and now we're looking at things like the Mandela effects, obviously, which is very real and is increasing. What's that? The Mandela effect is where we have a collective memory. Are you familiar with the Mandela? Now? Okay. Nelson Mandela. I was like, I know Nelson Mandela. There was a segment of the population that believed that he died when he was in jail. And another segment said, no, he went on to become a president. And then these other things, like people began remembering the fruit of the loom label on underwear with a cornucopia that they say does not exist. And never exist. If you Google it, the logo says it never existed, but you and I know it did, because we're living a slightly different. Wait, hold on stop there. It doesn't stop there. I mean, it's the Monaco on the on the I remember a cornucopia. Yeah, I do too But there if you Google it, they'll say I think you're too young Cornuc no, yeah cornucopia your Canadian I don't even know what a cornucopia is Cornucopia is it's like it's reality. There's no cornucopia. It's like a little, I'm just, this is one example, but they're really.

It's like a horn made of, it's like a show farm, but it's bigger and-

Yeah, it's got a lot out of it on Thanksgiving.

Yeah, all the fruit comes out and it was a label in the back of my underwear when I was a kid. I remember that. These are all instances where the...

Is it like a glitch in the matrix?

It's a reset.

It's a little reset.

Hold on.

So we have the picture here of the Cornacopia.

Let's put it. It's a little reset. Hold on. So we have the picture here of the

corticopia. Well, let's put it on.

No, but people could have made that.

But yes, that's what you think.

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