Part Two: Charged With Murder at 19, Sentenced to 40 years, and Came Out Freer Than Most People Will Ever Be — Shaka Senghor on Forgiveness, Shame, and Escaping the Prisons Nobody Talks About
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🗓️ 6 May 2026
⏱️ 83 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, I'm I'm Biallic. And I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to part two of our conversation |
| 0:09.4 | with Shaka Senghor. He's a globally recognized resilience expert, best-selling author, and a |
| 0:15.5 | transformative thought leader. His journey took him from incarceration for 19 years, including seven years in solitary |
| 0:23.6 | confinement, to a career where he empowers executives, entrepreneurs, athletes, and audiences around |
| 0:30.5 | the world. We're discussing his book, How to Be Free, a proven guide to escaping life's hidden |
| 0:36.9 | prisons. |
| 0:43.1 | In part one of our conversation, we talked about the journey that he took for the first 19 years of his life and how that ended him up in prison with an almost 40-year sentence. |
| 0:49.6 | In part two, we get to his personal transformation and what we all can learn about transforming |
| 0:57.0 | the limits of our own lives. If you've ever imagined yourself trying to accomplish something |
| 1:03.0 | other than what you're doing right now, he provides the hope, the inspiration, and the way forward. |
| 1:08.6 | We're also going to focus on forgiveness, anger, and the PTSD symptoms that have not left him since he got out of prison. |
| 1:16.4 | Really, really important part two of our conversation. |
| 1:19.3 | We can't wait for you to hear it. |
| 1:20.8 | Here is part two of our conversation with Shaka Sangor. |
| 1:25.1 | Break it down. |
| 1:27.2 | Once you got out, you were able to begin a career as a writer, which ended up being, I mean, |
| 1:36.0 | I think better than your wildest dreams. |
| 1:39.6 | This is your third book. |
| 1:41.1 | So can you talk a little bit about how it all came to be that Oprah eventually read your |
| 1:47.5 | book? It's the wildest story. So my journey as a writer has been the craziest whining road. |
| 1:59.0 | You know, so I published this first book from prison. |
| 2:03.0 | And, you know, the first thing I did when I walked out of the prison, they took me to the parole office. |
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