Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine. My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

Today we have a special different sort of episode. We're doing a

four part, is it four parts? Is that right? Yeah, four. Or three. Four, maybe somewhat aspirational.

We're doing a four-part series on criminal justice and mass incarceration in collaboration with another podcast called Cited

out of the University of British Columbia. Also, this series is made in partnership with the

University of Washington Center for Human Rights and Harvard Law School's Fair Punishment Project.

That means today I also have co-hosts.

One of them is Sam Fen and the other is Catherine Beckett.

Sam, you are the host of Cited, if you could just say a little bit about what that is.

Yeah, so Cited is a nerdy podcast basically where we kind of like each week try to get

dig down deep into one policy or like one piece of research that informs policy.

So we've done these kind of radio documentaries in the past about, most recently about

a heroin clinic where a very small group of people in Vancouver get heroin that's prescribed

by doctors and bought by the Canadian government.

We've done stuff with Catherine Beckett, who's also you're about to introduce,

about the myth of the super predator in America.

And we're just kind of a storytelling show that looks at the world of research and academics.

So kind of like the dig, more storytelling and somewhat less brazenly socialistic.

Sort of advertised less brazenly socialistic, but I think the listeners have figured out

are proclivities at this point.

Catherine, you have a lot of experience as a scholar researching this horror show of a situation

we have in the United States with mass incarceration.

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