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🗓️ 6 November 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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In this episode of Dr. Emma & Me, we’re joined by special guest Dr. Ellie Woodacre to explore the fascinating lives of two often-misunderstood medieval queens — Joan of Navarre and Isabeau of Bavaria. Both women ruled in times of crisis, navigated suspicion as foreign consorts, and faced accusations ranging from extravagance to witchcraft. Together, we examine how Joan and Isabeau balanced duty and survival within the volatile courts of England and France, how politics and rumor shaped their reputations, and why modern scholarship invites us to see them anew — not as villains, but as resilient figures of power and endurance.
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Hosts: Rebecca Larson & Dr. Emma Cahill Marron
Guest: Dr. Ellie Woodacre
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Dr. Emma and me on the Tudor's Dynasty and Beyond podcast. |
| 0:06.8 | And now, here are your hosts. |
| 0:09.9 | Hello and welcome back to the show. |
| 0:12.2 | I'm Rebecca Larson. |
| 0:13.5 | It's Dr. Emma and me, and I'm joined, of course, by my co-host, Dr. Emma. |
| 0:17.7 | But we also have a wonderful guest today. |
| 0:20.3 | First time on Dr. Emma and me, |
| 0:22.2 | not the first time on Tudor's Dynasty and Beyond. And welcome back, Dr. Ellie Woodacre. Welcome. |
| 0:28.2 | Hello, lovely to be back. Oh, we are so excited to have you. |
| 0:32.4 | You tell? I'm like, yay! You know, Emma, |
| 0:36.6 | we're excited. Emma mentioned wanting to have you on the show because we thought you would be perfect to pair up some queens because you do a lot of work in medieval history, right? |
| 0:46.9 | Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. Medieval queenship is kind of my home ground. Even though I work these days and more places and periods, that's kind of my home grounding, |
| 0:59.8 | definitely. Yeah. And I think Emma, for a change, maybe I'm going to let you take the lead on this. |
| 1:05.1 | Oh, thank you, Rebecca. That's very kind of you. Well, I'm so excited that Ellie's here. I want to thank Ellie, first of all, for being a powerhouse in the queenship world and for doing so much. |
| 1:12.8 | She's got the Royal Studies Network at the university she works at the university of winchester she has many students and i mean i couldn't |
| 1:19.4 | speak more highly of ellie because she's amazing she came to the opening of faces for for eternity |
| 1:24.7 | and that seems like a lifetime ago now ellie uh the warmest day in london |
| 1:30.5 | that anyone remembers so we had a lot of fun so thank you so much for coming and you know |
| 1:36.8 | for always being a champion of work she's also participated in the female perspective at the |
| 1:41.7 | prado museum with nolla garthia pet who sends you a big hug at Ellie, by the way, she told me this morning. |
| 1:48.7 | So I'm so excited to have you here. |
| 1:51.6 | Thank you. Thank you. |
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