This is the Tudors Dynasty and Beyond podcast, history with a twist.

And now your host, Rebecca Larson.

Hello and welcome back to the show.

I'm your host, Rebecca Larson, and today I am over the moon to welcome back.

Sophie Bacchus Waterman, welcome.

Thank you very much for having me again. Is it my

fourth time with you? I was trying. I was thinking about that earlier today. I thought I should

probably go back and check, but it's either fourth or fifth time. So, yeah, because we did the

episode on Elizabeth Berlin. There was Mary Marshall. And then there was Anne Bolein Salter. That's right. Wow. Okay, you got it. You know

exactly how many times you've been on with me before. I love our chats. I do too. I feel like I've

been like anxiously awaiting this book and this interview because it's, you know, it always feels

like it takes forever for this to come to a

conclusion. And I'm sure it felt like that for you writing this book too, didn't it?

It did. I think it was a long process, particularly because I started promoting the book quite early.

So I was doing podcasts not this time last year, but certainly in December last year.

And people were so excited for the book to come out that I was doing interviews, even as I was doing the research, before the book was even finished.

So it did. It felt like a very long process. But it's finally here. I have it. Here it is.

And if you're watching the video, you can see it's on my bookshelf and my bookcase behind me right there too,

Pride of Flays for today.

Very exciting.

I am so excited to talk about this book because I thought it was absolutely brilliant.

And you know, usually my interviews are kind of conversational and I don't come up with questions in advance

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