I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

I thought you're a pro, I thought you're a pro, I thought you're a pro, I'm a fire, can you keep up? I like love it.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about whether it's really, really romantic when relationships are toxic or whether maybe it's bad.

The jury is out friends, but we do have a few thoughts. Yeah, we're gonna try to talk through it, difficult question.

This week on Bachelor and Paradise, the twins finally arrive on the beach, some solid couples get shaken up. I mean, of course it's paradise.

And the show leans all the way into its regressive notions about how women relate to each other, how women relate to the men they're dating.

It's just 1950s city over here.

I mean my God, if there were ever a week that I wish we had our old feminism fails.

Like every, this week, every beat on the episode this week was a feminism fail.

I was like having the vapors, yeah unlimited feminism fails.

So we got to dive right in because there's a lot to get into.

Let's start with Monday nights episode, episode 10.

We open and Victoria is really in her feels because unless you have forgotten which you would be forgiven for forgetting, she is in the middle of a love triangle.

Yes, Alex and Johnny. Yes, she's with her buds, Shane and Brittany, sharing how she feels telling them basically what the lineup is.

Alex wants all the same things as her. He completely matches her list of what a perfect husband would be.

She really wants things to work out with Johnny because she just cares for him so much.

She's into him, but she's like, I have to try to be logical about this and not just make decisions with my feelings.

If I want to achieve these goals I have for my personal life.

And she's like, it's hard to because they're both like so into me. Like Alex is like, I'm only pursuing you.

And Shane says, well, what about like, can he pursue me?

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