Palestinian Leader: "Nothing Will Break Us" - Interview With Mustafa Barghouti
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🗓️ 31 October 2023
⏱️ 19 minutes
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He's a Palestinian leader who offers an alternative to both Hamas in Gaza and Fatah in the West Bank - and he desperately needs to be heard. Mustafa Barghouti leads the Palestinian National Initiative - which campaigns for a progressive, free Palestine - and here he lays down the facts - about the humanitarian catastrophe, the West's double standards, and why Palestinians will never be broken.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello, thank you for joining me. I'm so delighted to be joined today by Mustafa |
| 0:04.2 | Baguiti, who is a veteran Palestinian politician who has fought for a very long time and for an independent |
| 0:14.1 | progressive Palestine. Mustafa, it's great to be joined by you. Firstly, just so people will |
| 0:20.8 | have seen your intelligence in a lot of your video, your interviews have gone viral in the last few |
| 0:26.4 | weeks. But just so people will wear it, you actually represent an alternative to both Hamas, |
| 0:31.8 | which is dominant in, obviously runs Gaza and also Fata, which is dominant in the West Bank. So, |
| 0:37.4 | can you just explain that to people so they understand? Well, I am one of the founders and I'm |
| 0:46.1 | leading now the Palestinian National Initiative, which is the youngest Palestinian political party |
| 0:51.7 | in terms of age. It's 20 years old and it was initiated by a number of people like the well-known |
| 1:00.0 | intellectual Edward Saeed and Heider Abdi Shafi, who used to be the head of the Palestinian |
| 1:06.0 | negotiating team in Madrid. And many other political leaders who thought that Palestine needs a |
| 1:14.8 | third alternative, that this polarization between Hamas and Fata'a is not healthy and there |
| 1:23.2 | needs, there is a substantial amount of people who want to have a different vision and a different |
| 1:29.3 | view from what the authority represents, which is Fata'a in this case and Hamas. It doesn't mean that |
| 1:37.5 | we are antagonism with them and it's just that there is a certain silent majority in the Palestinian |
| 1:43.9 | society, which needs a different alternative. And this movement, which was initiated in 2002, |
| 1:51.8 | during the difficult time of the Second and Fata and the Israeli invasions, is first of all, |
| 1:59.1 | it took a very strong stand against Oslo agreement because we thought it was a big mistake. |
| 2:05.2 | Second, it has a program that includes three aspects. One is freedom, of course, from Israeli |
| 2:11.6 | occupation and the system of apartheid. Second, it's the need for a democratic internal system |
| 2:18.8 | where we have pluralism, where we have separation of powers, where we have people's participation and, |
| 2:24.0 | of course, elections. But third, it's a strong movement on the issue of social justice. Women's rights, |
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