Hello, hello, I'm very honored to be joined today by Hansa Ali Shah, who is a brilliant Palestinian

British writer, writes for a whole variety of publications, and also has been doing broadcast

during the horror of the last few weeks. Hansa, it's lovely to see you. Pleasure. Pleasure to be

you. Firstly, I am interested in just, I suppose for me, it seems so obvious, unbelievably obvious.

I mean, this is like an orgy of untrammeled racism, that there isn't even a

pretence in the media or politicians, that Palestinian civilian life has an equal worth to it,

it is Rayleigh or British civilian life, there's not even a pretence that it strikes me.

Yeah, and the thing is from a, just for the context in terms of from a Palestinian perspective,

you know, we're often, we grow up internalizing occupation and oppression, and we kind of,

we recognize that we're considered in the hierarchy of human life, you know, relegate to the,

very bottom to begin with, but then you see, you see some of the scenes and you think, look, you don't

need to have a great deal of empathy for the Palestinians to see a child being pulled from under

the rubble, like that, you know, you should be able to see that and recognize this is an atrocity,

when residential buildings have been flattened, when a journalist finds our life on air, that is

his wife and all of it, all of their children have been murdered. Why must there be a presumption

that, you know, this is defensive or justifiable, because of their Palestinian before you can express

any sort of sympathy or even empathy. And like I said, there's no attempt to even hide it, I was

incidentally, I was, I was dragging the other day and I heard in the car, I won't say from which

rage of station or presenter, but somebody actually asked a question, are we in danger of losing sight

or forgetting the atrocities on October 7th? And I just thought from any of that, such a glaring

admission, in other words, X amount of thousands of died since then, but those that have died and

have been murdered are seemingly not as important, because, you know, let's focus on those 1400

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