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Apeck meeting, China, Shijin Ping, shaking hands with Joe Biden, President of the United States.

Watching this is the whole world, but especially the subcontinent, especially facing an election.

Pakistan, I welcome Arif Rafiq, who is globally news, I recommend a subscription site the headline China

Pakistan Naval ties grow amid great power scramble for Indian Ocean ports

Arifah very good evening scramble for Indian Ocean ports.

Arifah, very good evening to you.

Pakistan is very close to China and has been for years in usual conversation of trade and especially military matters.

Now, however, you point to a joint China-Pakistan naval exercise

in light of the adversarial relationship between China and the United States,

between China and India.

Where does Pakistan see itself in these rivalries.

Good evening to you.

Hi, John, thank you for having me on.

Well, Pakistan feels very much caught in this intensifying great power rivalry

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