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This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I'm John Bachelor.

I welcome Michael Yahn.

He is in Guatemala City, and we're speaking of the adventures of Anthony and

Josh Rubin, whom we last spoke to when they were in Panama City, having proceeded

all the way from the Kito Airport in Ecuador, via bus in the route that is well marked for and especially Chinese migrants

well marked from ketoes all the way to the Mexican border. We left the Rubin brothers at Panama City having walked

through the Panama the Darien gap. Now infamous triple canopy 60 miles of

jungle. Apparently organizes canopy 60 miles of jungle,

apparently organized around large groups of smugglers,

guides, there are many euphemisms, who make money traversing those 60 miles and

depositing the migrants, the immigrants at the end of the Panama Pan American Highway where the Panama government or someone provides resources,

a place to sleep, food, and then a bus ride north to Costa Rica as you proceed, hit or miss, all the way to

the southern border into the United States is the plan.

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