This is CBS Eye in the World. I'm John Batchett, Pakistan.

Pakistan is in the subcontinent, and it's at odds with India since the partition in the

middle of the 20th century. Pakistan, however, up to date, is a country that is at the moment

bypassed by the headlines in Europe, except I learned from Josh Rogan writing global opinions

for the Washington Post in a conversation with the caretaker prime minister of Pakistan,

a man named Anwar Al-Haqqaqar who was recently at the UN General Assembly. Pakistan has

a place in the world today, neither this nor that, in between the warring camps in Ukraine.

Josh, a very good evening to you. The interview you have published is extremely candid and

helpful. I want to go to a line from the prime minister that is particularly helpful when

he said it's every nation for itself. How did you interpret that line given all the history

we have with Pakistan? Well, good evening, John. Well, it's clear that Pakistan is a country

that's trying to balance itself between a lot of the competing powers it finds itself

surrounded by. It's got to deal with Russia. It's got to deal with China. It's got to deal

with an unstable Afghanistan. And then far away, but not far away, in terms of military

cooperation, has the United States. Pakistan is still a major non-NATO ally and has been

working more or less with the United States on the military intelligence front since the

Cold War. And what the prime minister was trying to say is that we're not going to

join the West on its – what he considers a crusade against China and a fight against

Russia. That Pakistan is just not going to side with us, no matter how much we wish

them to. And they're doing that out of a pursuit of their naked self-interest, and they're

not the only ones. And what we're seeing around the world and what we saw particularly

at the United Nations General Assembly a couple of weeks ago were a lot of countries

...