You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense, and Foreign Affairs.

My name's Ryan Evans, I'm the editor-in-chief of War on the Rocks.

In this special episode of our podcast, we feature a panel that I moderated at a major conference at Johns Hopkins

Seice called Pakistan Beyond 70, the long view.

Seven decades after its independence, Pakistan remains deeply marked by its internal

contradictions and contested regional relationships.

And yet it has shown a surprising social and political resilience that has

bellied the bleak forecasts of many of its critics.

Building on the retrospective events that marked Pakistan 70th year, this conference, which was jointly

organized as I mentioned by Sais, but also the Lahore University of Management Sciences in Pakistan,

brought together leading scholars and policy experts for a clear-eyed

expiration of the dynamics that are likely to shape Pakistan's

political stability, its economic health, its place in the

wider Eurasian political economy, and its relationship with the United States

and its

neighbors over the coming decades.

The panel I moderated

was focused on regional realignments,

Pakistan, its neighbors, and the Great Powers.

It featured a pretty impressive panel of experts.

Let me run through them real quickly for you right now.

First up was Dr. Samuel Lawani, senior associate for Asia Strategy and co-director for South

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