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My name is Patrick Cummins as always I'm here with Ben Bergeron. How are you sir?

I'm doing it. Doing it. It's good to see it. Thanks everybody out there for joining us. We're going to talk today about a term I came across recently called

dopamine culture. We're going to talk about what it means and why it's important to understand

what it is and the risks that it brings, especially as it relates to the five factors.

Before we get into that, this has been you and I the first time we've gotten together since the

Crossway Games. A lot of folks will know what happened at the Crosswood Games, the tragedy that occurred on the first day of the Crosswood Games.

This episode is not going to come up probably for almost close to two weeks since,

but we did want to because this is the first time you and I got together. We did want to acknowledge it. We didn't want to

skip over it. We didn't want to pretend it didn't happen. Again, we just want to acknowledge the tragedy, the loss, the challenge,

the difficulty that the entire community is going through and do whatever we can to support Lazar's family and his friends and the broader community.

Yeah, it's unprecedented and it's tragic and it's terrible and it's confusing and no one knows how to navigate this the right way. It's one of the things that you know I was down there.

Cole was obviously competing and you run the emotional spectrum and roller coaster where every hour, it's even quicker than that, it's like every

20 minutes you have this new crazy rush of emotions from confusion to like just utter sadness and depression you know when I

got back when I went out to dinner with my wife and just started crying at the

restaurant table like you know to just this feeling of complete

emptiness and lethargy to you know being pissed off and angry. And I think it's, I'd rather take a little bit of space and time to let the dust settle a little bit,

let more information come out about this. You know, if things

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