Hello and welcome to Happy Place with me, Fern Cotton. This is the show that

delves deep into the minds of people who might just be able to teach us a thing

or two about how own minds. Today I'm chatting to Owen O'Kane. Many many people

struggle with shame and of course then shame teaches you to hide. Then when you

start to tell your story what you do is you can't even edit the story very very

carefully. So it's all about I think for most people the heart of most

psychology is about protecting yourself, keeping see if preventing anything from

going wrong and making sure that you're accept and lovable. That's kind of the

narratives from most people so when they tell their story what they do is they

try and match and think okay will that fit that narrative. Owen is a psychotherapist

and best-selling author. He also happens to be a neighbour of mine so he popped

around it was a very short journey the other week with a bunch of flowers,

lovely man and a couple of iced coffees for us both he's a complete legend. We

had this chat on the hottest day of the year so those iced coffees were very

much appreciated. I've done some Instagram lives with Owen that have gone down

absolute treat but I really wanted to have a chance to sit down with him and

properly get into his brain it is such a brilliant brain. We talked about well

we talked about so much but in particular how fear and shame drive us what

therapy actually is and why it'd be so bloody great if we all had access to it

and how the chemistry of our brains can change through practices that can

sound a bit wishy-washy like gratitude. See I told you is a very clever bloke.

Hicks the National Theatre is colourful and beg-hearted musical returns this

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