Emma Barnett

Happy Place

Fearne Cotton

Society & Culture, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Relationships, Personal Journals

4.6 • 15.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 June 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Do you have open conversations at work when you’re in pain emotionally or physically? After going through numerous rounds of IVF, as well as having a miscarriage, broadcaster, writer, and author Emma Barnett wants to re-brand pain as weakness into pain as strength, especially at work.

In this chat with Fearne, she talks through the worries she had that she might be seen as greedy for wanting a second child through IVF when she’d already had a wonderful son by IVF, and how she’s put this shame to bed. They also explore the often cruel language around infertility, and the difference between sympathy and empathy when it comes to difficulties conceiving.

You can sign up to Emma’s new newsletter, ‘Trying’, here: https://emmabarnett.substack.com/

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Happy Place, the show that leaves no part of the human condition unexplored,
0:07.4	hopefully.
0:08.4	I'm Fern Cotton and today I'm meeting Emma Barnett.
0:12.0	Very naively, I kind of thought I couldn't miscarry an IVF baby because I tried so hard,
0:18.8	we'd had tried so hard, they couldn't go, how could they go?
0:23.2	Obviously that's not medically sound or in line with research or the data.
0:28.8	But I wasn't in the mood to apply research or data, I just was a woman really happily
0:32.6	and gratefully pregnant after a lot of trying and a lot of medicine.
0:35.7	Emma is of course a broadcaster, writer and author.
0:39.6	She currently presents woman's hour on Radio 4, having previously presented the Emma Barnett
0:45.5	show on BBC Radio 5 Live.
0:48.5	Even if you weren't a regular listener you'll definitely have seen the clips of her doing
0:52.0	a phenomenal job holding political leaders to account.
0:56.1	She just started a new weekly newsletter called Triing with Emma Barnett.
1:00.3	We're all constantly trying to do something but in this case Emma specifically means trying
1:06.3	for a baby.
1:07.3	She's been incredibly open over a number of years about the difficulty she's had conceiving
1:13.3	and wrote a piece in the Times recently which has touched so many people.
1:18.9	It definitely really moved me about having a miscarriage after getting pregnant through
1:24.9	the F. This was most definitely an eye opening chat.
1:28.8	We talked about the often very cruel language around infertility, the importance of empathy
1:34.9	and the role hope can play in tough situations.
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