Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer. This is Marianne Sullivan. And joining Marianne today is Porva

Jashipura, who will be talking about her latest book, which I know Marianne, you loved. Yeah, great book.

It's called Survival at Stake.

How Our Treatment of Animals is key to human existence.

She's also going to be talking about her many years of work at PETA doing investigatory

and campaign work.

And by the way, the only reason I said, you loved it is because I haven't read it yet.

But it's on my pile.

And I'm very much looking forward to it. And this interview especially, it's like, wow, I get really inspired

when people are doing things like this, especially creative thinkers and communicators who are

talking in new ways, which I find to be true of PORa's work. So this is great.

I'm excited.

Yeah, I think that the book is really important to anyone who's interested in activism,

whether you're talking about, you know, activism writ large,

or even just those conversations that we all have with people who,

because a lot of people just refuse to hear it when it comes to animals,

even if they care about them.

But she really makes the case.

As we all know, but, you know, like having the facts to hand is really helpful.

But she really makes the case that everything we do to animals is like vastly contributing to the fact that we're destroying ourselves and our planet.

Yeah. Well, I agree with that,

but I needed to get away from all of the realities of the horror show that we are living in for a few days.

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