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Hello, I'm calling in from Utah.

My name is Eric. I'm a really recent listener and I've heard a lot of stories on a few podcasts. I've heard about people using weebords and just going really bad for them and I completely agree.

It's it can bring a lot of really bad things into an area, into a person's life,

but I would just like to explain a little bit about myself. I come from a very I want to say spiritual family. They

They've always had a really strong kernel happenings around them growing up.

They were raised in that environment. They were taught that that kind of stuff is okay and that it's something that not everybody experiences.

And myself, I wouldn't count myself as sensitive.

I don't, I don't really believe that I am because I don't experience a lot.

I really don't. But being raised in that environment, you know, I've always been wanting,

I've always wanted to, I've always wanted to experience what my family sees and hears and a cousin of mine who I'm going to call Brandon, he and myself decided that we were going to try a Ouija board.

But if we ever did, we would have a series of safety measures.

And so we researched, and this,

the research took two years before we had the courage

and confidence in ourselves to even attempt.

And we looked up old, like a Germanic protection things and like, town I live in apparently this is really recent

information to me I mean I live in Utah so you think it'd be primarily L families that live here but apparently a good

portion of population is actually wicken but I don't count myself as that either

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