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🗓️ 16 September 2025
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Filmmaker Richard Stanley joins us to unpack his incredible book "Otto Rahn: Grail Hunter" - the true story of a gay Jewish medievalist who became the SS's chief grail hunter in Nazi Germany.
We explore Stanley's own supernatural experiences on Montségur (getting trapped by lightning), the brutal genocide of the Cathars, and why this whole story feels disturbingly relevant right now.
From Lucifer's emerald diadem to disappearing treasures to Stanley's decades-long quest through the most mysterious corners of southern France.
Good times!
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| 0:00.0 | It was already a ruin when he started. We don't know what it was a ruin of, possibly a Roman or three Roman temple. |
| 0:07.2 | Something, there was already some kind of structure on the mountain that Raymond fortified. |
| 0:13.0 | What would you, if you were to guess, would you say pre-Roman or Roman temple? |
| 0:19.1 | Roman era, local pagan temple? Yeah, I mean, the mountain's super powerful. I mean, the moment you cross into supernatural territory, it does feel like Glastonbury to the power of 100. |
| 0:52.4 | This week, we welcome to the show Richard Stanley. |
| 0:57.3 | Richard is, I would say, best known as a filmmaker and documentary producer, but he is also an adventurer and a grail seeker, and most recently an author, an author of Otoran Grail Hunter, |
| 1:07.7 | which we will be, of course, discussing in this episode. Now, I realize at one point, Richard and I are talking about a really high strange event |
| 1:17.2 | that happened to him famously on his first visit to Monsagu many, many years ago. |
| 1:22.6 | Now, I've linked up a preview to one of his earlier documentaries. |
| 1:26.1 | I've seen them way back in the day when they came out |
| 1:28.7 | about this event and about Montseguer and so on, because we talk about it and then carry on |
| 1:33.9 | the discussion about Rahn and the Grail and so now the whole event is described in tremendous |
| 1:39.1 | detail in the book. So I'm just going to point you in a couple of directions to some of the previous documentary work and to, of course, the book that we are discussing in this episode. |
| 1:51.5 | Enjoy. |
| 1:52.4 | Richard Stanley, welcome aboard. |
| 1:55.3 | It's a huge pleasure being with you, sir, to be on Rune Soup. |
| 2:02.4 | Absolutely, absolutely. I'm very much looking forward to this because you have written my, maybe my favourite book of the year, I think. |
| 2:09.1 | Otteran Grail Hunter, I'm showing it for people who are listening, but there we go. I love this |
| 2:16.0 | book. So congratulations. Well, done. It's really good. Well, praise indeed, sir. Thank you. And I'm particularly glad because it's September. It's late in the year. Yeah, I was going to say, you never know with a guest. Like, can I make the joke? It's my favorite book so far. Anything could happen. But no, I love love this i have uh i've long been fascinated one by the cathars |
| 2:39.9 | and and also otteran himself because i'm a little bit jewy and a lot gay and i'm like what |
| 2:49.1 | how here's this gay jew who's a Nazi grail hunter. There's, |
| 2:53.3 | there's a story there and there certainly is. And so I love this. And to weave it in with |
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