Welcome to Black Girl Burnout. Kelly here. And we are back. This is another snippet of our interview as we continue our conversation with Sonia Renee Taylor. This is a little different than the other interviews I've done. I usually

have a pretty structured format. And usually around now we talk about what professionally brings you joy.

But Sonia has given us such an incredible piece of work and the body is not an apology and such a

beautiful way of seeing ourselves as people and our relationship with our body is that

we dived more into some of the principles and the practical ways to create a life where your body

is not lived in with shame or shaming others. It's a beautiful conversation. I hope you

enjoy it. It is by far one of the most moving

exchanges I've had with someone. And all of our guests I love, this is just this concept and this

content is special. So keep listening to Sonia Renee Taylor. Let's drop back in the conversation.

For a long time, I've been a rider to running hide us.

We are back with Sonia Renee Taylor, and I, again, I'm trying to contain my

fan girl in because I am so excited.

We just talked about before earlier in the week about ways that shame clings to us and the

history behind that shame and then the keys to get out of that.

So if you have it, go back and check out that episode.

That is a must.

And so we've already released.

We look at us.

We have released in 20 minutes. I release all the shame in my body, so I'm ready to move on.

I don't know about you, but I'm good. And so in order to do that, you talk a lot about, I've got your book next to me for folks who are wondering why I'm like, I'm staring

off into the mic and not making eye contact because there's so many things I had to mark down

in this book about how to move out of shame. And you talk about radical self-love and you open it

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