Welcome to the Black O'Brill podcast, Kelly here, and we are finishing up our conversation with Amanda, all about, as usual, you guessed it, joy.

How both Amanda finds joy, but how rest can be joyful.

Let's finish out this week giving you the inspiration to find joy wherever you can, but primarily

this week through resting.

Okay, this week and this conversation has flown by, as they all do.

And I wanted to talk, as we always do, anybody who's been listening to this podcast for

a while knows that every guest we close talking about joy, because I believe that's

our birthright as black women.

It's not lives of struggle. It's lives of joy. And you talk about joy as an energy source.

You talk about joy as being generative. You talk a little bit about that and why you key into

that, particularly in this book and what wisdom you can impart to our listeners around that.

Yes. So when it comes to burnout especially, I think we focus a lot of the conversation on

what we're doing, right? And we're doing too much of this. We're working. We're overworking.

And that's why you're burnt out. But one of the things that I discovered in my reporting and in my personal experience

and in my engagements with coaching clients is that for so many of us, we have abandoned ourselves

and really left behind those things that brought us that sense of joy

earlier in our lives and we traded them in in order to have more time and energy to work and

achieve. And so what ends up happening is we, you know, over-index on the professional

achievements and we find ourselves with all of these achievements and accolades, etc. But we're

really lacking, you know, the joyful moments that give life meaning and purpose. And so I encourage people to,

you know, going back to that question of what are you hungry for. So many of us are just

completely abandoning and ignoring what the inner self is saying. And joy is truly a portal by which you can get to know yourself

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