Welcome to the Black Girl Burnout podcast, Kelly here, and we are continuing our interview and conversation with Amanda Miller, Little John.

We're keeping the conversation right on going and talking about how to see rest as generative and productive and healthy. Let's check back in in our conversation with Amanda Miller Little John.

Okay, we're back with Amanda having this really great conversation all about rest, which is something that should be applauded and uplifted this conversation as often as possible.

It's so needed.

And it's needed for many reasons you've outlined in our last

conversation. But it's also really important to understand that rest helps you create purpose,

right? So I want to talk a little bit about what purposecaping is for you. Can you tell us what

that is and how people can begin to

purpose scape in their lives? So purposecaping is my executive coaching philosophy that I share

with clients, but I also share it in the book, The Rest Revolution. And it's truly a seasonal

metaphor, a seasonal agricultural metaphor that I observed from my grandparents

and also studying the work of George Washington Carver and just understanding what the ground

and the soil needs at different points in the year,

but also at different points in kind of the cycle of growth

when you're growing a certain type of crop.

And so if you were to layer that over the human experience,

purposecaping really allows you to understand that,

you know, in spring, there are certain things and a certain mindset you have to have when you're

planning something new, when you are trying to get something new to take root, right? So if you

think about your family or your marriage or your career,

when it's new and you're embarking upon something that is new, it's fragile. And so you have to,

you know, take a different approach than you would if it were fully rooted and you've

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