Welcome to Black Girl Burnout podcast, Kelly here.

And we are continuing our conversation as we listened into an interview I did on the Be Well Sis podcast with Cassandra Dunbar.

In the first portion of the interview,

we talk a lot about what I believe to be our true mission as humans and particularly as women,

which is to both heal ourselves and help others. We break that down. We talk about what success

looks like. In this portion of the conversation, we dig a little deeper into the

theme of the discussion from Cassandra's end, which was all about how to honor our ancestors

and how healing and community building honors them. Let's jump back into the conversation

and see where it goes between Cassandra and I.

I promise you're going to love it.

So, so good. I was thinking about how, while you were talking about how I would show up like last

year, maybe the year before, to therapy. And I'm like, I'm so frustrated. I'm just like, you know, we've been together for a while now and you're an amazing therapist. But why am I not healed? Is she just like, girl. She's like, you've made strides. Like you've grown. Like, can you see your growth?

I'm like, yeah, I can see my growth.

But how come I'm not together yet?

She's just like, girl, like it's a practice.

Like, we are all just practicing.

Like, it's a practice.

It's a journey, like you said.

And where do you think the struggle with self-compassion comes from?

I think it's historical and cultural.

Like that's kind of my lens with how I see the black experience a lot and particularly

the black woman's experience is that I think we have not had space historically to even

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