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Skullduggery

Operation Whistle Pig (w/ Jana Winter & Hugh Handeyside)

Skullduggery

Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti

Politics, White House, News Commentary, Government, Senate, Podcasts, President, House Of Representatives, News, Victoria Bassetti, Supreme Court, Michael Isikoff, Foreign Policy, Scandels, Yahoo News, Voting, Elections, Skullduggery, Daniel Klaidman

42K Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2021

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

This week, our Yahoo News colleague Jana Winter discovered the existence of a secret investigations unit inside the Department of Homeland Security. It was snooping into the private lives of journalists as well as congressional staff members and others. They were pulling phone records, travel records, personal contacts, and much else. All of this under the guise of cultivating them to help with the legitimate government investigation into, of all things, cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. This secret unit launched an initiative called Operation Whistle Pig that targeted journalists. Informally, it called itself W.O.L.F. - way out there in left field. Winter joins us to discuss as well as an ACLU lawyer, Hugh Handeyside, about why this is so alarming.


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HOSTS:

  • Michael Isikoff (@Isikoff), Chief Investigative Correspondent, Yahoo News
  • Daniel Klaidman (@dklaidman), Editor in Chief, Yahoo News
  • Victoria Bassetti (@VBass), fellow, Brennan Center for Justice (contributing co-host)

RESOURCES:

  • Jana Winter's Operation Whistle Pig story - Here.
  • Rep. Bennie Thompson, House Homeland Security Chair's reaction to story - Here.

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0:00.0

In 1971, the Nixon White House created a covert unit called the Plummers to conduct

0:08.2

special leak investigations, an initiative that eventually spawned the Watergate Breakin.

0:14.6

Many of us assume that shadowy government gum shoe squads, operating like the Plummers,

0:19.5

entirely without any Justice Department or Congressional oversight, went away with the

0:24.1

demise of Nixon.

0:25.8

But this week, our Yahoo News colleague, Jana Winter, discovered the existence of another

0:30.0

secret investigations unit, this time inside the Department of Homeland Security, that

0:35.4

was snooping into the private lives of journalists, as well as congressional staff members, NGO

0:40.5

workers, and others, pulling phone records, travel records, personal contacts, and much

0:45.7

else.

0:46.7

All under the guise of cultivating them to help with the legitimate government investigation

0:51.5

into, of all things, cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

0:56.9

The secret unit launched an initiative called Operation Whistle Pick, the targeted journalist.

1:02.8

Informally, it called itself Wolf, for way out there in left field, a worthy successor

1:09.3

to the Plummers.

1:10.3

We'll talk to Winter, the reporter who broke the story, and to an ACLU lawyer about why

1:15.4

this is so alarming on this episode of Skull Duggery.

1:42.0

On my Galizagov, Chief Investigator correspondent for Yahoo News.

1:48.1

And I'm Victoria Besedi, a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice.

1:52.4

So when I was a young reporter at the Washington Post many years ago, working for Bob Woodward,

1:58.9

who discovered the existence of the Plummers, he used to talk about the holy shit story,

2:05.4

the story that would shake things up that would expose some outrageous conduct that nobody

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