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They have a really hard time actually talking through their ideas and making sure that they

actually make sense with experts in the field, if those experts in the field, they don't

have that adequate security clearances.

And so it really walls off government, people who are having to make important decisions

in government from others who could provide input that would help them make better decisions.

And so it really keeps people in government from making the best decisions they can because

they can't share ideas and information with people who are outside of their neuro programs.

And that's not just, they can't share it with people outside of government.

They can't share it with people inside government who are not cleared into their programs.

And so how these compartments are defined can make a real difference in terms of who

you can talk to and may wall you off from the very people that you ought to be having

conversations with before making important decisions for the US government.

I'm Stephanie Pell and this is the LawFair podcast, January 26, 2022.

What if we declared an end to the costly system of how we classify national security information

in the United States?

Ona Hathaway, the Gerard C. and Bernice Latrobe Smith Professor of International Law at

Yale Law School, poses this question in her article Secrecies End.

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