Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman. No, it should be sound serious. Okay. Hi, this is Garik-Kal. No, you're not. Oh my goodness, this is going to take forever. But guess who's leading today? Mike McKinley! Oh, heavens no. This is Jonathan Lehman. That's Mark Devere. Welcome to Pastors Talk. Learn more at nagamarks.org. You can't, you're mumbling your words.

For a flash talk.

Say it quickly.

But I'm not. This is Jonathan even. That's Mark Devere. Welcome to Pastors Talk. Learn more at 9xmark.org. You can't.

You're mumbling your words.

Forrest talk. Say it quickly. But I'm not going to lead today. I'm sitting back in the chair today. You didn't ask for money yet. Don't you have to ask for money at the beginning? If you're interested in giving to 9 marks, go to 9marks. marks.org forward slash talk and help us keep doing awesome conversations like this one, amen.

We'll see.

With us today, we have Mike McKinley, pastor of Sterling Park Baptist Church and an old friend.

Good to have you, Mike.

Good to be here. And also, Garrett Kell,

pastor of Del Rey Baptist Church in Alexandria, Virginia. Good to have you, Garrett. Evidently, not a friend.

Yeah, conspicuously not an old friend. Not a friend. Yeah. I appreciate that. Also, an old friend.

That's good. And there's Mark. Mark's awake. The oldest of the friends. Talk to him wisely away. Talk to I appreciate that. Also an old friend. That's good. And then there's Mark.

Mark's awake.

The oldest of the friends.

Talk to him wise away.

Talk to him wise away before he falls asleep.

Garrett emailed a few of us and had an idea for a conversation that we thought would be useful.

Maybe.

It was something that you had talked about with, discussed with your staff,

and found it helpful there.

And so maybe this conversation is the sort of thing that other pastors might want to do with their staff.

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